Gas vs PSD
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The old crank number comparison. How about the pickuptrucks.com test - the cummins had 245 ft lb of torque more than the ford 6.2l gasser and in the test with the most resistance (16% grade pull), the cummins really couldn't out perform the ford gasser.
Do you think the 35 hp crank advantage of the ford gasser was the deciding factor?
Do you think the 35 hp crank advantage of the ford gasser was the deciding factor?
2010 HD 16 Percent Hill Climb Test - PickupTrucks.com Special Reports
The 6.2 won by 1 tenth of a second on the 16% grade, with 4.30 gears vs. 3.73 for the Cummins (not to mention differences in tranny and anything else), either way, how does that show that HP matters more than torque? Actually, the way Bill and Josh say it, horsepower only matters, torque has zero effect. read up like 3 posts. Now Bill is a ghost!
2010 HD 7 Percent Hill Climb Test - PickupTrucks.com Special Reports
In the 7%, the Cummins won by 1/2 a second. Again, tell me how the hp advantage of the 6.2 helped?
Come on, I am waiting. Sorry for putting facts into your insanity.
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But between Dodge and Ford, there is a huge difference in weight, transmission, driveline, etc. So really, Bill cannot support his claim that the 12 hp advantage of the v10 over the psd means thee v10 will outpull the psd, regardless of the torque advantage.
Honestly, I just keep poking in here hoping we get a pull off with a 2v V10, a 3v V10, a 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4. And one hopefully closer to real world, like pulling a pass at 65 mph. We will have to get like a 14k trailer tho, as the 6.0 and 6.4 and probably the 3v v10 will pretty much pull any pass at the speed limit. I travel some of the nastiest passes with a 10k toy hauler loaded, and I am limited by how comfortable I can navigate turns and traffic rather than the hill limiting me.
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I know this isn't truck related, but it a diesel... One bad deisel...
Video: Merc E-Class estate gets slidey - BBC Top Gear
Video: Merc E-Class estate gets slidey - BBC Top Gear
Still some members will never believe what Germans could do with diesels 30 or even only 20 years ago and Ford USA can not today.
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Comon... this is funny.
1. at the V10's prime selling point, it only consisted of 14% of SD sales. often is wa around 10%. If only 10% of SD's have the V10's, you probably won't see many of them. I think it's close to 75% have PSD's, so of course you ar going to see more of them.
2. (and this is where things get funny) You are actually saying the modulars have issues and comparing it to 6.0 issues. All I can say is that hurt... Sam Adams coming out your nose hurts. Seriously though, you are comparing a repair bill that might cost $200 IF you send it to shop to the problems the 6.0 has. New injectors cost what about $2000? I've seen plenty of people on here with $5000+ repair bills for their 6.0's. Ford dealer told me it would be about $3500 to put a remanufactured V10 in my old truck, and that's the freakin stealership.
Sorry, I would take a $200 repair over the $5000 repai any freak day.
And yes, I never leave sparks in any of engines for more 50k miles. They are to cheap not to replace IMO.
1. at the V10's prime selling point, it only consisted of 14% of SD sales. often is wa around 10%. If only 10% of SD's have the V10's, you probably won't see many of them. I think it's close to 75% have PSD's, so of course you ar going to see more of them.
2. (and this is where things get funny) You are actually saying the modulars have issues and comparing it to 6.0 issues. All I can say is that hurt... Sam Adams coming out your nose hurts. Seriously though, you are comparing a repair bill that might cost $200 IF you send it to shop to the problems the 6.0 has. New injectors cost what about $2000? I've seen plenty of people on here with $5000+ repair bills for their 6.0's. Ford dealer told me it would be about $3500 to put a remanufactured V10 in my old truck, and that's the freakin stealership.
Sorry, I would take a $200 repair over the $5000 repai any freak day.
And yes, I never leave sparks in any of engines for more 50k miles. They are to cheap not to replace IMO.
Now I'm laughing. You state the PSD is the best seller. I was not compairing repair bills. There was a statement that the v10s did'nt have any issues. I just stated 3 I knew of. Dude in 05 if a sparkplug broke off in ytour head it was $500 to get it out. I don't about the price any more. The v10 is never going to replace the PSD. I find it funny how yall have something to prove.
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OK, let's use REVERSE logic here....Everyone says people come here when they have "problems", which is true...to an extent.
Now, if the V10 sells so few units compared to the PSD, regardless of year, how come there are so many V10 defenders on here while we only have a few PSD owners on this thread?
Do any of you V10 owners need a "blankie" to get you past this crisis? Most of the PSD owners have nothing to prove, and the V10 owners WISH they had the PSD....(that's more likely)
<that should get the argument going again> Therefore, the very few PSD owners on here (of which sells the most) are here just to TELL YOU your V10's are WEAK...
Now, if the V10 sells so few units compared to the PSD, regardless of year, how come there are so many V10 defenders on here while we only have a few PSD owners on this thread?
Do any of you V10 owners need a "blankie" to get you past this crisis? Most of the PSD owners have nothing to prove, and the V10 owners WISH they had the PSD....(that's more likely)
<that should get the argument going again> Therefore, the very few PSD owners on here (of which sells the most) are here just to TELL YOU your V10's are WEAK...
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Again, ignoring the request for support. Come on Bill.
I think the 3v 5.4 will outpull your V10 because of the tranny and lighter engine.
And I have no support, just because I say, so it must be true.
I think the 3v 5.4 will outpull your V10 because of the tranny and lighter engine.
And I have no support, just because I say, so it must be true.
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V10 owners have to rebuild their self confidence to justify poor decision.
PS owners are here just for fun and teasing.
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I don't know... I can get it off the line becuase of my much better first gear, but it can shift faster. ( my ZF5 vs a 5R110) The 05 trucks weigh a whole lot more than the 99-04 don't they?