Gas vs PSD
Lead Driver
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From: Rhode Island
I know it is hard to get on the track of 500 pages with so many discussion diversion, but I was referring to those who force me to drink watery beer, have my 180 mph car governed to 120 mph and making 25 years old diesel technology the best available in this country.
Some want to pass that heritage on their children, I don't .
Some want to pass that heritage on their children, I don't .
Nobody is limiting your car to 120MPH. That was whoever manufactured your car's decision.
Nobody is forcing you to drink watery beer, you can choose to buy high alcohol beer if you want.
Nobody is selling 25 year old Diesel technology here.
This site is not giving details, but from other sources I know that even the wagon is a model that went into production in late 1970's it is powered by modified diesel engine from late 1990's.
Still some members will never believe what Germans could do with diesels 30 or even only 20 years ago and Ford USA can not today.
Still some members will never believe what Germans could do with diesels 30 or even only 20 years ago and Ford USA can not today.
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Well Ian, if you are telling me that I can buy a car in US with no build-in governor, than you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.
If you are saying I can buy in California Beck's or Heineken beer with original 5% or so alcohol in it, than you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.
I will not even comment on the lack of kindergarten skills for clicking the links.
If you are saying I can buy in California Beck's or Heineken beer with original 5% or so alcohol in it, than you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.
I will not even comment on the lack of kindergarten skills for clicking the links.
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From: Spokane, WA
I showed my math proving it many pages back. Tom and Josh both have showed the math many times. Its pretty simple stuff to understand and I'm tired of saying it just so you can say its wrong.
I don't know... I can get it off the line becuase of my much better first gear, but it can shift faster. ( my ZF5 vs a 5R110) The 05 trucks weigh a whole lot more than the 99-04 don't they?
I don't know... I can get it off the line becuase of my much better first gear, but it can shift faster. ( my ZF5 vs a 5R110) The 05 trucks weigh a whole lot more than the 99-04 don't they?
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If you are saying I can buy in California Beck's or Heineken beer with original 5% or so alcohol in it, than you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about.
I will not even comment on the lack of kindergarten skills for clicking the links.
I will not even comment on the lack of kindergarten skills for clicking the links.
..and once again you ignored the points about diesel technology.
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I have both. Well, had both. The V10 superduty just got sold. Anyway, recent real world experience. My 01 V10 pulling about 8000# of trailer and the 04 6.0 pulling about 14,000# of trailer. We were on a recent trip together and when we got to any hills of significance I flat could not keep up. No way no how. Not without revving the V10 into the bone yard and I'm pulling slightly more than half the weight. I used the 6.0 to pull 6K of trailer with about 8500# of Unimog on it back from Virginia to Ohio and I know my V10 would have cried for mercy along the way.
I loved my V10 truck and it fit the bill perfectly for what I wanted it to do over the last 10 years and don't regret the decision one bit. The cost factors for the V10 vs the diesel just didn't add up for my usage. That's changed and it had to go. Funny thing is I sold it in the dealer parking lot to a guy that was looking for exactly what I had, while I was looking at the new diesels. Sales droid wasn't happy but such is life.
My next truck will have the 6.4 in it and there is no doubt in my mind it will outperform the V10 it will be replacing.
So there you go. I had both, at the same time, and can say without a doubt there is no comparison when you start piling on the weight and stacking up the hills.
I loved my V10 truck and it fit the bill perfectly for what I wanted it to do over the last 10 years and don't regret the decision one bit. The cost factors for the V10 vs the diesel just didn't add up for my usage. That's changed and it had to go. Funny thing is I sold it in the dealer parking lot to a guy that was looking for exactly what I had, while I was looking at the new diesels. Sales droid wasn't happy but such is life.
My next truck will have the 6.4 in it and there is no doubt in my mind it will outperform the V10 it will be replacing.
So there you go. I had both, at the same time, and can say without a doubt there is no comparison when you start piling on the weight and stacking up the hills.
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I have both. Well, had both. The V10 superduty just got sold. Anyway, recent real world experience. My 01 V10 pulling about 8000# of trailer and the 04 6.0 pulling about 14,000# of trailer. We were on a recent trip together and when we got to any hills of significance I flat could not keep up. No way no how. Not without revving the V10 into the bone yard and I'm pulling slightly more than half the weight. I used the 6.0 to pull 6K of trailer with about 8500# of Unimog on it back from Virginia to Ohio and I know my V10 would have cried for mercy along the way.
I loved my V10 truck and it fit the bill perfectly for what I wanted it to do over the last 10 years and don't regret the decision one bit. The cost factors for the V10 vs the diesel just didn't add up for my usage. That's changed and it had to go. Funny thing is I sold it in the dealer parking lot to a guy that was looking for exactly what I had, while I was looking at the new diesels. Sales droid wasn't happy but such is life.
My next truck will have the 6.4 in it and there is no doubt in my mind it will outperform the V10 it will be replacing.
So there you go. I had both, at the same time, and can say without a doubt there is no comparison when you start piling on the weight and stacking up the hills.
I loved my V10 truck and it fit the bill perfectly for what I wanted it to do over the last 10 years and don't regret the decision one bit. The cost factors for the V10 vs the diesel just didn't add up for my usage. That's changed and it had to go. Funny thing is I sold it in the dealer parking lot to a guy that was looking for exactly what I had, while I was looking at the new diesels. Sales droid wasn't happy but such is life.
My next truck will have the 6.4 in it and there is no doubt in my mind it will outperform the V10 it will be replacing.
So there you go. I had both, at the same time, and can say without a doubt there is no comparison when you start piling on the weight and stacking up the hills.
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From: Rhode Island
The V10 is designed to do that. It is designed to handle sustained periods of full throttle 5000+ RPM operation. If you don't let it downshift and rev out to where it makes its peak power, then of course it won't hold a candle to the diesel.
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I have both. Well, had both. The V10 superduty just got sold. Anyway, recent real world experience. My 01 V10 pulling about 8000# of trailer and the 04 6.0 pulling about 14,000# of trailer. We were on a recent trip together and when we got to any hills of significance I flat could not keep up. No way no how. Not without revving the V10 into the bone yard and I'm pulling slightly more than half the weight. I used the 6.0 to pull 6K of trailer with about 8500# of Unimog on it back from Virginia to Ohio and I know my V10 would have cried for mercy along the way.
I loved my V10 truck and it fit the bill perfectly for what I wanted it to do over the last 10 years and don't regret the decision one bit. The cost factors for the V10 vs the diesel just didn't add up for my usage. That's changed and it had to go. Funny thing is I sold it in the dealer parking lot to a guy that was looking for exactly what I had, while I was looking at the new diesels. Sales droid wasn't happy but such is life.
My next truck will have the 6.4 in it and there is no doubt in my mind it will outperform the V10 it will be replacing.
So there you go. I had both, at the same time, and can say without a doubt there is no comparison when you start piling on the weight and stacking up the hills.
I loved my V10 truck and it fit the bill perfectly for what I wanted it to do over the last 10 years and don't regret the decision one bit. The cost factors for the V10 vs the diesel just didn't add up for my usage. That's changed and it had to go. Funny thing is I sold it in the dealer parking lot to a guy that was looking for exactly what I had, while I was looking at the new diesels. Sales droid wasn't happy but such is life.
My next truck will have the 6.4 in it and there is no doubt in my mind it will outperform the V10 it will be replacing.
So there you go. I had both, at the same time, and can say without a doubt there is no comparison when you start piling on the weight and stacking up the hills.
First off, unless you rev it to 5000 you will not see its real pulling ability.
Second, your comparing an 01 to a 6.0. Go get a 3V, let it rev as much as it wants and things will be very diffrent.
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Corvettes, Mustang GTs and Vipers are three cars that immediately come to mind that have no speed limiters. The Vette and the Viper will both do OVER 200MPH right from the factory.
Perhaps not in California (although others have pointed it IS possible to get it in California, but it may not be called "beer"), but in many other states it is.
..and once again you ignored the points about diesel technology.
Perhaps not in California (although others have pointed it IS possible to get it in California, but it may not be called "beer"), but in many other states it is.
..and once again you ignored the points about diesel technology.
Ofcourse there are exceptions. Space shuttle has no governor as well. That doesn't change the fact that 99.9 % of Americans drive cars that have speed limited by their Government. You like to live with your head in the sand -it is a free country after-all.
So how many US made diesels have you seen in last 30 years going sideways on race tracks?
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You are so pathetic in twisting the issue and looking the other way.
Ofcourse there are exceptions. Space shuttle has no governor as well. That doesn't change the fact that 99.9 % of Americans drive cars that have speed limited by their Government. You like to live with your head in the sand -it is a free country after-all.
So how many US made diesels have you seen in last 30 years going sideways on race tracks?
Ofcourse there are exceptions. Space shuttle has no governor as well. That doesn't change the fact that 99.9 % of Americans drive cars that have speed limited by their Government. You like to live with your head in the sand -it is a free country after-all.
So how many US made diesels have you seen in last 30 years going sideways on race tracks?
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You are so pathetic in twisting the issue and looking the other way.
Ofcourse there are exceptions. Space shuttle has no governor as well. That doesn't change the fact that 99.9 % of Americans drive cars that have speed limited by their Government. You like to live with your head in the sand -it is a free country after-all.
Ofcourse there are exceptions. Space shuttle has no governor as well. That doesn't change the fact that 99.9 % of Americans drive cars that have speed limited by their Government. You like to live with your head in the sand -it is a free country after-all.
Two completely stock cars:
YouTube - mustang gt top speed
YouTube - ZR1 Goes 200+ MPH! - 2009 Corvette ZR1 Top Speed Run.MP4
So how many US made diesels have you seen in last 30 years going sideways on race tracks?
Here are some American diesels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVoJw1LUmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xILJfYG03fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omTt...eature=related
Why can't you just admit that you're wrong?
Cargo Master
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The 05 350 v10 I test drove would not hold at 5000 rpm. It was like my 040and 05 f150s. The rev limiter would knock it down to 3800-4800. Was this a defected unit? That another thing I didn't like about the v10 and my 05 F150. Your power was made at 5k but couldn't us it. All of my mustangs 2000,2003,2007,2010, have rev limiters. I haven't notice them shutting off at a speed though. All of them will do 120.
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Exactly my point, because I say it and maybe even use some "math", doesn't make it true, or even a correct statement. I have no clue how the 3v 5.4 compares to your rig. But I have seen several tests that show the 6.4 outpulls the 3v v10. Yet you still keep saying it won't. Don't say it if you can't support it with something other than "math."
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Well the math shows your F-150 will win!!!!