Gas vs PSD
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Coming to US from Europe I still can't understand why Europeans demand diesels in 1500 lb cars, where dozens of 60+ mpg cars are manufactured for a generation and the oil lobby corrupting politicians in US is still winning the gas guzzlers idea.
The smog argument doesn't apply to diesels of last 20 years. At least those NOT manufactured in US.
It is gas fumes that are most poisonous. This is why gas engines have catalytic converter for last 50+ years and warehouse equipment is converted to propane.
The smog argument doesn't apply to diesels of last 20 years. At least those NOT manufactured in US.
It is gas fumes that are most poisonous. This is why gas engines have catalytic converter for last 50+ years and warehouse equipment is converted to propane.
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As for your "What a waste" comment, that's exactly why some get such a rise out of this debate. I will not say a diesel is a waste, they have their place. Just like gassers.
And if Ford couldn't turn a profit doing it, they would never EVER offer the V10 in the F650/750 series. That's new for 2012, by the way Bill, not 2011.
I dare you - DARE YOU - to find a more reliable, cleaner burning, and low-cost-maintenance powerplant than a bi-fuel spark-ignition engine running Propane or CNG (compressed natural gas), for municipal or utility use. Which is exactly why Ford is putting out the F650/750 with a V10.
I know with almost 99% certainty that when they come out, my local township will most likely buy a slew of them. The garbage trucks they run here, hauling heavy, going stop-and-go to every house on every block in every town, ARE NOT DIESEL. Gee, I wonder why?
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Coming to US from Europe I still can't understand why Europeans demand diesels in 1500 lb cars, where dozens of 60+ mpg cars are manufactured for a generation and the oil lobby corrupting politicians in US is still winning the gas guzzlers idea.
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My Dad and I were just talking about emissions laws and how they apply to diesels. His '07 Dodge with the 6.7 Cummins has been the picture of reliability with the exception of the emmisions controls. When I mentioned the fact that he could eliminate it, since we don't live in an area of California that has annual tests. But he was not for it at all, since he's seen the writing on the wall concerning diesel emissions. He and I both agree that all diesel owners are paying the price for those owners who are so proud to spew black smoke at every stop light, and feel the need to get the hottest tune they can even if they don't tow anything. Those wonderous emission controls cost owners in reliablity, mileage and initial purchase price and they're only getting worse, since there are a whole lot more people that dislike breathing black smoke than there are who think it's the neatest thing in the world.
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Jrfish, I didn't say that the v10 wasn't good for towing. I didn'l say it was a bad engine. What I said in that example was the PSD would pull the v10. Oh yea the v10 does flex the frame. Before I bought my PSD I was test driving a v10. I drove that truck for a week. That is why I passed over it to a PSD. All the v10s around me flex when they are in high rpms. I've never had a big enough truck. Guys in the f150 boards said I needed a SD. That's not why I got it. I just got bit by the SD bug. Oh but I agree now, that the SD is better suited to do what I do.
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Why would the V10 flex the frame but not the PSD? That makes no sense.
The frames are the same. Are you saying the V10 has so much more power its capble of that even though the PSD is not? There is not that big a power diffrence, and the SD has a very strong frame.
The frames are the same. Are you saying the V10 has so much more power its capble of that even though the PSD is not? There is not that big a power diffrence, and the SD has a very strong frame.
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Your V10 will not out pull my PSD on its best day.
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It doesn't matter to me that you don't understand it. Fact remains I have a PSD, and I'm happy w/ it. And there's not a day in the month your going to out pull me.
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I dare you - DARE YOU - to find a more reliable, cleaner burning, and low-cost-maintenance powerplant than a bi-fuel spark-ignition engine running Propane or CNG (compressed natural gas), for municipal or utility use. Which is exactly why Ford is putting out the F650/750 with a V10.
I know with almost 99% certainty that when they come out, my local township will most likely buy a slew of them. The garbage trucks they run here, hauling heavy, going stop-and-go to every house on every block in every town, ARE NOT DIESEL. Gee, I wonder why?
I know with almost 99% certainty that when they come out, my local township will most likely buy a slew of them. The garbage trucks they run here, hauling heavy, going stop-and-go to every house on every block in every town, ARE NOT DIESEL. Gee, I wonder why?
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My Dad and I were just talking about emissions laws and how they apply to diesels. His '07 Dodge with the 6.7 Cummins has been the picture of reliability with the exception of the emmisions controls. When I mentioned the fact that he could eliminate it, since we don't live in an area of California that has annual tests. But he was not for it at all, since he's seen the writing on the wall concerning diesel emissions. He and I both agree that all diesel owners are paying the price for those owners who are so proud to spew black smoke at every stop light, and feel the need to get the hottest tune they can even if they don't tow anything. Those wonderous emission controls cost owners in reliablity, mileage and initial purchase price and they're only getting worse, since there are a whole lot more people that dislike breathing black smoke than there are who think it's the neatest thing in the world.
You can find more info in the 2 links. Take a look at the upcoming phase 3A regs for the US and the mpg requirements.
United States emission standards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
European emission standards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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How about Smart diesel that our Canadian friends enjoy so much? Have you seen Jeep Cherokees and Dodges Caravans with diesel engines? Those are the only engines you can find in their European siblings. Also Town & Country from my recollection.
How about diesel powered Lincoln Navigator?
While government dictators have been in extinctions around the World, US citizens don't even notice how they make well in this country. Why do we all have speed governors in all our cars? Why California sold beer is limited to 3.5% alcohol?
The list goes on and on.