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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
What is your way of thinking?
You think a car manufacturer would spend millions on research end development of the car capable of safely driving at 150-180 mph, than would build such a car at high cost, spend another fortune for advertising the high performance car to find big number of customers and than would limit the cars speed to 100-125 mph because they cheaped out couple hundred buck on tires?
When I got the first new truck with governor 12 years ago, I went back to the dealership asking them why the truck is reaching the 115 mph governed speed on 3rd gear still having 4th and 5th "to spare".
The dealership salesmen were shocked the truck has a governor. Than I called manufacturer hot-line asking why they did cut the vehicle speed down to about 60%. Got lot of mambo jumbo and finally was send to aftermarket tuners to have the governor override.
Same with the beer. You think firm like Heineken would willingly ruin their product because of the tires?
Because most of the vehicles here in America are not designed to do 150-180MPH. The drive shafts are only balanced for 120 MPH or less, the wheels and tires will only keep together for about the same, etc...Like I said, Ford designed the Mustang to do 140MPH+, but if you didn't want to pay for the wheels and tires that could handle the speed(the 16" wheels that is) they limit the speed to 130 MPH. If you had bought the cars with the 17" wheels and better tires, you had no speed limiter.

Trucks are governed for similar reasons. The very large tires and wheels on trucks just simply cannot handle 120MPH+ for sustained periods of time. The bigger and heavier your tires are (ex, dually trucks and F-450+ class trucks) the slower your speed will be governed to prevent a possible catastrophic failure.

I also don't get your point about it hitting 115MPH in 3rd gear while still having 4th and 5th left. Most vehicles will reach their top speeds within 3rd or 4th gear. 5th and 6th (sometimes 4th too depending on vehicle) are just highway gears meant to get the RPM's down, increase fuel economy, and reduce engine wear.

The fact that the Corvette will do 200MPH stock, and the Mustang GT will do over 140 is proof enough that the US Government does not impose speed governors. Why would the US government make exceptions just for the certain cars that can and are designed to go faster then most?
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
The V10 is designed to do that. It is designed to handle sustained periods of full throttle 5000+ RPM operation. If you don't let it downshift and rev out to where it makes its peak power, then of course it won't hold a candle to the diesel.

Just what I want to do, listen to 5000 screaming rpms of V10 for "sustained periods". There's a reason just about every heavy hauler on the planet is a diesel.

Someone else mentioned a later gen V10, I'm assuming because of its increase in HP (and little if any increase in torque), but that extra HP is no way going to make up the difference. My other truck was pulling almost DOUBLE the weight. Two times the weight. That's 1 x2 and I was having trouble staying in the same time zone. And I did let it rev unless you feel 4500 - pushing 5000 isn't letting it "rev out".

Bring up Fords new 6.7 and you've got nothing to talk about. It would flat out tear any V10 Ford made to pieces. I've driven it and it's a scary strong package.

It's all apples to oranges anyway. Torque and HP go hand in hand. The biggest factor "to me", is where in the rpm band is it all supposed to happen. I'd much rather motor up a hill in the 2K rpm band than at 4-5K. I'm happier, the wife and kids are happier, the TRUCK is happier, everybody's happy.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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This is getting funny now
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 07:54 PM
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No one is arguing that the diesel isn't more pleasant to tow with. We're arguing that V10 CAN do the same work if you plant the pedal to the floor, turn up the radio and ignore where the needle is on the tach. It will pull just as much as the diesels (besides the 6.7, which nobody is denying can handily outpull the V10), but it won't do it as pleasantly or efficiently.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tgreening
Just what I want to do, listen to 5000 screaming rpms of V10 for "sustained periods".
Its a beautiful sound IMO. Makes me grin every time I hear it.

Originally Posted by tgreening
Someone else mentioned a later gen V10, I'm assuming because of its increase in HP (and little if any increase in torque), but that extra HP is no way going to make up the difference.
52 HP, 22 TQ and the 5R110 rather than the 4R100 is a bigger diffrence than you think.
Originally Posted by tgreening
Bring up Fords new 6.7 and you've got nothing to talk about. It would flat out tear any V10 Ford made to pieces. I've driven it and it's a scary strong package.
The 6.7 is a beast and nothing stock will touch it.
400 HP 800 TQ

It will not rip ANY V10 to peices though.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
No one is arguing that the diesel isn't more pleasant to tow with.
I am.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FORDTUF1
Sorry I didn't see this earlier, but My 2002 even before I had my tuner, would outpull the 6.4 in stock format. This is in a progressive weight sled pull. There is an advantage in the V10 having power faster and getting ground speed up quicker, the resulting momentum will pay off at the end. I did this in 08 or 09 and finished 2nd to a Chevy who was running a 100 HP Bully Dog tuner. I lost by 9 inches.
I am gonna call BS on this.

But regardless of me calling BS, the PSD is at a disadvantage when not pulling at speed. The reason being windflow and the effect on EGTs. Diesels need airflow to reduce EGTs, so when you romp on it from a standstill, especially with weight, the EGTs skyrocket until the speed gets up a little.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2010 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
No one is arguing that the diesel isn't more pleasant to tow with. We're arguing that V10 CAN do the same work if you plant the pedal to the floor, turn up the radio and ignore where the needle is on the tach. It will pull just as much as the diesels (besides the 6.7, which nobody is denying can handily outpull the V10), but it won't do it as pleasantly or efficiently.
Uh Bill and Josh keep saying the v10 will outpull a 6.4, which isn't true. LOL
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by exiled
No the problem is, a PSD owner opened his mouth. I didn't say anything bad about the v10. Matter of fact I,ve stated other wise. I simply made a comment that the engine did have issues. I never said how many. I know some body w/ a v10 that spit out spark plugs and it cost him $3000. Before you jump out your seat. I don't know why or what all had to be done. I do know the bill. I found you funny cause you said the same thing I said. The way you was like you where putting me in my place. Oh well, I laughed.
Dude I like all fords. I don't know why but I do. I am a ford enthusiast. For the last time, I will not say it again. In a real world situation the V10 will not out pull a PSD. No I don't see it out pulling up a hill either.
Well, then we are in agreement for most of it

I can believe a spit out plug can cost that much, with the wrong plug it will shatter and go into the piston. If you keep driving, it will tear up the side of the wall. Most of the ones I've seen on the forum though just pull over, get it towed and fix it at the shop resulting in lower costs. It's kind of like when you have a flat tire, if you stop immediately, you might be able to salvage it. You keep driving it and eventually you'll shred the tire have to buy at least 2 new ones.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by exiled
Really? Is that all you got. There's more to pulling than 10k over what 16th-8th of a mile. The guys and me for one that says the PSD will not be out pulled by the v10 is talking about a CGVW at 20,000lbs or more. Over mixed road conditions. My PSD is not fast at all. So I'm not racing..
I pulled 12k trailer up the mountains here in WV at 70 mph (the speed limit). I was probably approaching 19k lbs combined. Sure it was noisy, mpg was a joke at best (6mpg), but the truck did it. A PSD would have done it easier no doubt, but the V10 maintained the speed limit, although I did slow down from time to time to negotiate turns, not because the truck couldn't take it.

But I didn't tow often, my truck was 90% DD and 10% tower so the high RPM and low mpg really didn't bother me because it was infrequent.

However, I no longer have that truck and trailer. So for now I'm sitting back and am going to see how the 6.7 reliability is, maybe I'll get one in a few years.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
It will pull just as much as the diesels (besides the 6.7, which nobody is denying can handily outpull the V10),
the 6.4 will chew one up, too.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
the 6.4 will chew one up, too.
Not at all.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Not at all.
Bill, support that comment.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 09:22 AM
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Bill, support that comment.
yeah, please do. I havent looked at this thread in awhile and would like to see more bench racing.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 2001400ex
Bill, support that comment.
I've posted the videos several times.
They're the same towing the same loads. No "chewing up" anything.
JL
 
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