Gas vs PSD
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From: Long Island USA
Don't you know you have to keep reposting it every time? 
And just before doing it, you have to take video of the entire truck just to make sure you don't have a sail on it to take advantage of any tail wind? And inside the engine compartment to make sure you don't have a turbo/blower/nitrous, and of your trailer on the scales, all the while never EVER hitting pause on the camcorder?
And just before doing it, you have to take video of the entire truck just to make sure you don't have a sail on it to take advantage of any tail wind? And inside the engine compartment to make sure you don't have a turbo/blower/nitrous, and of your trailer on the scales, all the while never EVER hitting pause on the camcorder?
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From: at the truck pulls
Really? Is that all you got. There's more to pulling than 10k over what 16th-8th of a mile. The guys and me for one that says the PSD will not be out pulled by the v10 is talking about a CGVW at 20,000lbs or more. Over mixed road conditions. My PSD is not fast at all. So I'm not racing..
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From: at the truck pulls
I am gonna call BS on this.
But regardless of me calling BS, the PSD is at a disadvantage when not pulling at speed. The reason being windflow and the effect on EGTs. Diesels need airflow to reduce EGTs, so when you romp on it from a standstill, especially with weight, the EGTs skyrocket until the speed gets up a little.
But regardless of me calling BS, the PSD is at a disadvantage when not pulling at speed. The reason being windflow and the effect on EGTs. Diesels need airflow to reduce EGTs, so when you romp on it from a standstill, especially with weight, the EGTs skyrocket until the speed gets up a little.
I guess if I told you I pulled at a National Tractor Pullers Association pull in Gaffny, SC and finished 3rd place against 12 other diesel trucks you would call me a lier too. Well go to my webshots page and take a look at a three foot tall trophy standing beside my truck chump! That night there was a Ford one and two, then me, then a REALLY pissed of dude in a new D-Max in 4th, another pissed of guy in 5th that was driving a Cummins Dodge after that I'm not sure.
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Yes, really. But I was replying to and talking about pulling, not towing and hauling AT THIS VERY MOMENT. Actually it is 40,000 or 50,000 pounds depending on track conditions. And it's 300 feet standard track unless several pull beyond that mark, then it's changed to 320 to meet the Full Pull requirement. If after that there is a pull-off then it is a floating finish line, but basically no one goes beyond 350 feet.
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From: WV
Fine, we get it, your talking about pulling as a competition. If you haven' t read the last 517 pages, This has been a debate about which pulls (i.e. towing and hauling) better..... 99% of us do not take our trucks to the dirt pulls, but strictly asphalt or concrete ones, and for 100's if not 1000's of miles at a time.....
As has been mentioned here many times, there are situations were a gas engine is better suited than a PSD, they maybe rare occasions, but they exist.Personally, I would be pissed off too if someone flat called BS for something like that. It goes back to the PSD is the always better no matter what attitude.
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From: WV
Chevy D-Max = $40,000
Dodge Cummins = they still sell Rams?
Face on new owners of the Chevy and Dodges as you beat their diesels with a gas engine = priceless
The next day:
Ford V10 = $35,000
Chevy D-Max = for sale at $32,000
Dodge Ram = To rusted to sell
Everyone having Ford = priceless
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
I'm glad someone else is saying it...(just grabbing a soundbyte...lol)
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From: Texas
Ford V10 = $35,000
Chevy D-Max = $40,000
Dodge Cummins = they still sell Rams?
Face on new owners of the Chevy and Dodges as you beat their diesels with a gas engine = priceless
The next day:
Ford V10 = $35,000
Chevy D-Max = for sale at $32,000
Dodge Ram = To rusted to sell
Everyone having Ford = priceless
Chevy D-Max = $40,000
Dodge Cummins = they still sell Rams?
Face on new owners of the Chevy and Dodges as you beat their diesels with a gas engine = priceless
The next day:
Ford V10 = $35,000
Chevy D-Max = for sale at $32,000
Dodge Ram = To rusted to sell
Everyone having Ford = priceless
I already have.
Hey, were have you been?
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From: Spokane, WA
And you would be right there with all the people claiming the earth was flat based on your response to my reply. In other other words you're calling me an outright lier. Well guess what buddy your quite a piece of work right there!! Keep hiding behind your keyboard and doing what you're doing and you'll go far.
I guess if I told you I pulled at a National Tractor Pullers Association pull in Gaffny, SC and finished 3rd place against 12 other diesel trucks you would call me a lier too. Well go to my webshots page and take a look at a three foot tall trophy standing beside my truck chump! That night there was a Ford one and two, then me, then a REALLY pissed of dude in a new D-Max in 4th, another pissed of guy in 5th that was driving a Cummins Dodge after that I'm not sure.
I guess if I told you I pulled at a National Tractor Pullers Association pull in Gaffny, SC and finished 3rd place against 12 other diesel trucks you would call me a lier too. Well go to my webshots page and take a look at a three foot tall trophy standing beside my truck chump! That night there was a Ford one and two, then me, then a REALLY pissed of dude in a new D-Max in 4th, another pissed of guy in 5th that was driving a Cummins Dodge after that I'm not sure.
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Just to throw out some figures FYI… I replaced my V10 engine about 6 months ago. I bought a remanu directly from a Ford dealership for ~$3700 and labor is about 20 hours for the longblock. R&R. 3 year/100K mile warrenty. Just FYI.
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I pulled 12k trailer up the mountains here in WV at 70 mph (the speed limit). I was probably approaching 19k lbs combined. Sure it was noisy, mpg was a joke at best (6mpg), but the truck did it. A PSD would have done it easier no doubt, but the V10 maintained the speed limit, although I did slow down from time to time to negotiate turns, not because the truck couldn't take it.
But I didn't tow often, my truck was 90% DD and 10% tower so the high RPM and low mpg really didn't bother me because it was infrequent.
However, I no longer have that truck and trailer. So for now I'm sitting back and am going to see how the 6.7 reliability is, maybe I'll get one in a few years.
But I didn't tow often, my truck was 90% DD and 10% tower so the high RPM and low mpg really didn't bother me because it was infrequent.
However, I no longer have that truck and trailer. So for now I'm sitting back and am going to see how the 6.7 reliability is, maybe I'll get one in a few years.
Now as far as my buddies truck. It had 520 miles on it. It was a factory plug. He pulled right over. He describes as it sounded like he hit something w/ out the jolt. It seems like it dented or put a hole in his hood. If I remember right it was a problem w/ not enough threads cut in the head. Again I can't swear to this.
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From: Texas
Why did you have to replace it?
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Yes, really. But I was replying to and talking about pulling, not towing and hauling AT THIS VERY MOMENT. Actually it is 40,000 or 50,000 pounds depending on track conditions. And it's 300 feet standard track unless several pull beyond that mark, then it's changed to 320 to meet the Full Pull requirement. If after that there is a pull-off then it is a floating finish line, but basically no one goes beyond 350 feet.