Gas vs PSD
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Why wouldn( the 6.0 be able to use the torque multiplier? I don't know that it does or don't. My goodness. A torque multiplier takes torque on one side multiplies and outputs it on the other. Nothing special there. Can't be something in the TC locking up cause in tow/haul. The TC lockes in every gear soooo. I don't understand where your going with this question.
The V10 can run a lower gear than a PSD and will pull hills better.
Its not about whats at the flywheel, its about what it can put to the ground.
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He can have better tires, a better balanced truck, not over-apply the go-pedal, or a host of other things that allow him to tractor-pull better on dirt than the rest.
Or, it is simply the fact that he can stay in a lower gear and/or get higher speed because of his higher RPM range.
Or, it is simply the fact that he can stay in a lower gear and/or get higher speed because of his higher RPM range.
Thanks for the explanation, but I wasn't looking for an explanation on how he could have beaten everyone. I was wondering why he referred to a person (2001400ex) asking for proof as an idiot.
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The only way I've seen to make any substantial gains from the V10 is to put a turbo or supercharger on it, and then only a few people have done that.
As far as mods go, the PSD has the V10 beat in every way. You can make far more power by modding your PSD than modding your V10, unless you want to tear into the internal re build the entire engine with exotic materials.
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Of course, it doesn't hold a candle to what you can do by forcing more fuel/air into a diesel.
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I've seen plenty of Saab's that toss a chip in their car (the turbo V6 ones) and go from 250 (or 280 depending on the year) to 400 hp and 500 ftlb torque.
But yes, you can adjust shift points and such. But actually producing say 25% more power from the engine from a tuner alone, not going to happen on a V10.
Hook it, I'll pull it.
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Tuners do almost nothing for non-turbo engines. The only way a tuner will do anything substantial for a V10 is if you have a ton of other mods done to the engine.
The only way I've seen to make any substantial gains from the V10 is to put a turbo or supercharger on it, and then only a few people have done that.
As far as mods go, the PSD has the V10 beat in every way. You can make far more power by modding your PSD than modding your V10, unless you want to tear into the internal re build the entire engine with exotic materials.
The only way I've seen to make any substantial gains from the V10 is to put a turbo or supercharger on it, and then only a few people have done that.
As far as mods go, the PSD has the V10 beat in every way. You can make far more power by modding your PSD than modding your V10, unless you want to tear into the internal re build the entire engine with exotic materials.
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Yeah I know... 
The original point I was making was that a tuner on a V10 just isn't going to help on a tractor pull that much.
The original point I was making was that a tuner on a V10 just isn't going to help on a tractor pull that much.
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I take it you've never driven any gas vehicle with a good tune in it? I'm not talking about the craptastic off the shelf tuners with canned tunes either. When tugging on something real heavy the 1-2 shift and converter lockup can make a big difference and a safer A/F ratio is nice at such high loads.
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I take it you've never driven any gas vehicle with a good tune in it? I'm not talking about the craptastic off the shelf tuners with canned tunes either. When tugging on something real heavy the 1-2 shift and converter lockup can make a big difference and a safer A/F ratio is nice at such high loads.
Wouldn't the the tow/haul mode help out with that though, it seems to help keep the torque converter locked when I was towing my trailers. I would admit Ford's shifting pattern is not optimal. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Ford auto tranny, specially in stock form. There probably is improvement to be made there, but I don't think your going add THAT much more wither way.
I would think the stock A/F in a V10 would be pretty safe as I haven't heard of many blowing up from being to lean... could be wrong though.
Another thing is that he has yet to mention if his V10 was an auto or a manual. If it was a manual, then all of this tranny argument isn't really going to matter.
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Nope, but I don't do tractor pulls with my trucks either.
Wouldn't the the tow/haul mode help out with that though, it seems to help keep the torque converter locked when I was towing my trailers. I would admit Ford's shifting pattern is not optimal. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Ford auto tranny, specially in stock form. There probably is improvement to be made there, but I don't think your going add THAT much more wither way.
I would think the stock A/F in a V10 would be pretty safe as I haven't heard of many blowing up from being to lean... could be wrong though.
Another thing is that he has yet to mention if his V10 was an auto or a manual. If it was a manual, then all of this tranny argument isn't really going to matter.
Wouldn't the the tow/haul mode help out with that though, it seems to help keep the torque converter locked when I was towing my trailers. I would admit Ford's shifting pattern is not optimal. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Ford auto tranny, specially in stock form. There probably is improvement to be made there, but I don't think your going add THAT much more wither way.
I would think the stock A/F in a V10 would be pretty safe as I haven't heard of many blowing up from being to lean... could be wrong though.
Another thing is that he has yet to mention if his V10 was an auto or a manual. If it was a manual, then all of this tranny argument isn't really going to matter.
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Nope, but I don't do tractor pulls with my trucks either.
Wouldn't the the tow/haul mode help out with that though, it seems to help keep the torque converter locked when I was towing my trailers. I would admit Ford's shifting pattern is not optimal. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Ford auto tranny, specially in stock form. There probably is improvement to be made there, but I don't think your going add THAT much more wither way.
I would think the stock A/F in a V10 would be pretty safe as I haven't heard of many blowing up from being to lean... could be wrong though.
Another thing is that he has yet to mention if his V10 was an auto or a manual. If it was a manual, then all of this tranny argument isn't really going to matter.
Wouldn't the the tow/haul mode help out with that though, it seems to help keep the torque converter locked when I was towing my trailers. I would admit Ford's shifting pattern is not optimal. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of Ford auto tranny, specially in stock form. There probably is improvement to be made there, but I don't think your going add THAT much more wither way.
I would think the stock A/F in a V10 would be pretty safe as I haven't heard of many blowing up from being to lean... could be wrong though.
Another thing is that he has yet to mention if his V10 was an auto or a manual. If it was a manual, then all of this tranny argument isn't really going to matter.
Under extreme loads if the engine temps get out of hand the truck will lose power. The extra fuel at WOT under those loads JL stated is a good. The T/H is great and works well however it is designed to work within certain parameters.
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I don't really feel like its any worse than things I already do to my truck.
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The V10 is tuned from the factory to get the absolute best economy possible, while also satisfying the emissions requirements. There are very few specific strategies that allow open loop fuel enrichment at WOT. 14.64:1 air fuel at WOT is bad in the overall big picture of longevity and power production.
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