Gas vs PSD
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I,ve been thinking about the problems the v10 and 5.4 have had since 2000. They both had spark plug spitting problems. In the 3v heads in 04 and 05 models.{I listed them cause that's what I have and had} The spark plugs seized up in the heads. I don't know if this was ever fixed. So I change my wifes every 20,000 miles in her f150 and mustangs. So I really don't listen to the 100k mile spark plug change argument. I've never noticed more v10s than PSDs. I don't think I ever will either.
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The problem with the 3v spark plugs is the plug itself, not the engine. Certain brands of plugs are a two piece design that can break if too much torque is applied. A lot of people go with the one piece design when they change plugs and that eliminates the problem. The early 2v's were a combination of fewer threads, aluminum heads and faulty installation. If installed properly they would never have a problem, but put one in cross threaded and it's coming out pretty quickly.
LOL Doesn't matter why, fact is it was a design flaw.
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I agree both are design flaws and should never have happened, but they aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to severity of problems caused or cost to fix.
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You break a plug off in a 3V modular you get the broken plug removal kit specified by Fords TSB. You blow plug in a modular use a timesert of similar kit to fix the problem. Both fixes are a drop in the bucket compared to replacing the head studs on a 6.0l.
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Changing plugs is normal maintenance on a gasser. When I buy one I expect to have to change the plugs. So when it comes time to change them just put the proper ones back in(or change them immediately when you buy the truck). That is a very simple and cheap fix compared to changing head bolts on a 6.0(which should NOT be normal maintenance on any vehicle). Without writing a book, head bolts are far from the only design flaw that needs to be fixed on the 6.0 (turbo vanes, egr problems, fuel injectors, etc).
I agree both are design flaws and should never have happened, but they aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to severity of problems caused or cost to fix.
I agree both are design flaws and should never have happened, but they aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to severity of problems caused or cost to fix.
And if you spit a plug in a stock V10, your engine dies, you are calling a tow truck, and replacing the engine. If your head gaskets go, you have warning signs, you still go home, and place the gaskets and bolts.
As for the EGR and other problems, all depends on maintenance. There are thousands of people with zero problems with the EGR, turbo veins, and injectors (which injectors are a problem in all diesels after a certain number of miles).
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My point is, who cares why the flaw is there. If it is in the truck it is an issue.
And if you spit a plug in a stock V10, your engine dies, you are calling a tow truck, and replacing the engine. If your head gaskets go, you have warning signs, you still go home, and place the gaskets and bolts.
And if you spit a plug in a stock V10, your engine dies, you are calling a tow truck, and replacing the engine. If your head gaskets go, you have warning signs, you still go home, and place the gaskets and bolts.
Why would I need to replace the engine if my modular shoots a plug??? It is a simple repair that you can do on the side of the road in less than an hour. You can still drive the truck without a spark plug in it too. It's not going to run the best, but it will still run.
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My stock 6.7 will outpull anybodies stock or modified truck except for one guy. He had a Ford 6.4 with a boatload of mods and his own software to program the truck himself.
I know this because I pulled in the truck pull last weekend and finished 2nd. I'll bet once the re-flash comes I'd be able to even beat him because he only pulled 5 feet farther
There were several Dodges and Chebbies modded and blowing big black smoke, but oh so sad they had a big FAIL.
I know this because I pulled in the truck pull last weekend and finished 2nd. I'll bet once the re-flash comes I'd be able to even beat him because he only pulled 5 feet farther
There were several Dodges and Chebbies modded and blowing big black smoke, but oh so sad they had a big FAIL.
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My stock 6.7 will outpull anybodies stock or modified truck except for one guy. He had a Ford 6.4 with a boatload of mods and his own software to program the truck himself.
I know this because I pulled in the truck pull last weekend and finished 2nd. I'll bet once the re-flash comes I'd be able to even beat him because he only pulled 5 feet farther
There were several Dodges and Chebbies modded and blowing big black smoke, but oh so sad they had a big FAIL.
I know this because I pulled in the truck pull last weekend and finished 2nd. I'll bet once the re-flash comes I'd be able to even beat him because he only pulled 5 feet farther
There were several Dodges and Chebbies modded and blowing big black smoke, but oh so sad they had a big FAIL.
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The siezed spark plugs was do to carbon getting in between the ground shield and the head. The rotting of the groundshield was due to unlike metals. I had the same thing on my 05 and wifes 04. Cam sensors was a problem on 3v engines too.
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From: WV
I pretty sure the 3V's fixed the spark plug issue too.
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From: WV
Today I made a point to notice the engine in the SD's I came in contact with. The 1st 7 was on a road crew. 3 350s and 4 250s. 1 of the 350s was a single and it had a 5.4. All of them where 05 and newer and had a 6.0. Going by the sale barn I pulled in to check things out. 3 dodges 5.7. 1 chev don't know what it had. 17 SDs. 8 6.0s, 4 6.4s, 2 6.7s, and 3 7.3s. When I got to the dealership I'd decided to pull in and look around. Out of 30 something SDs there was only 3 v10s.there was no 5.4s{Saw a raptor. I thought it was ugly} I got to work finally, counting mine there was 5 SDs. 3 6.0s 1 5.4 and 1 7.3. I,ve been thinking about the problems the v10 and 5.4 have had since 2000. They both had spark plug spitting problems. In the 3v heads in 04 and 05 models.{I listed them cause that's what I have and had} The spark plugs seized up in the heads. I don't know if this was ever fixed. So I change my wifes every 20,000 miles in her f150 and mustangs. So I really don't listen to the 100k mile spark plug change argument. I've never noticed more v10s than PSDs. I don't think I ever will either. As far as engines go any body that I've talked to that had a problem w/ their 6.0 it was w/ a components not the engine. The engine failures that I have heard of was from tuners. Right again the 6.0 has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. I bet no more so than Ford and International.
1. at the V10's prime selling point, it only consisted of 14% of SD sales. often is wa around 10%. If only 10% of SD's have the V10's, you probably won't see many of them. I think it's close to 75% have PSD's, so of course you ar going to see more of them.
2. (and this is where things get funny) You are actually saying the modulars have issues and comparing it to 6.0 issues. All I can say is that hurt... Sam Adams coming out your nose hurts. Seriously though, you are comparing a repair bill that might cost $200 IF you send it to shop to the problems the 6.0 has. New injectors cost what about $2000? I've seen plenty of people on here with $5000+ repair bills for their 6.0's. Ford dealer told me it would be about $3500 to put a remanufactured V10 in my old truck, and that's the freakin stealership.
Sorry, I would take a $200 repair over the $5000 repai any freak day.
And yes, I never leave sparks in any of engines for more 50k miles. They are to cheap not to replace IMO.
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My stock 6.7 will outpull anybodies stock or modified truck except for one guy. He had a Ford 6.4 with a boatload of mods and his own software to program the truck himself.
I know this because I pulled in the truck pull last weekend and finished 2nd. I'll bet once the re-flash comes I'd be able to even beat him because he only pulled 5 feet farther
There were several Dodges and Chebbies modded and blowing big black smoke, but oh so sad they had a big FAIL.
I know this because I pulled in the truck pull last weekend and finished 2nd. I'll bet once the re-flash comes I'd be able to even beat him because he only pulled 5 feet farther
There were several Dodges and Chebbies modded and blowing big black smoke, but oh so sad they had a big FAIL.
