??? Dude, First off, I don't even have a V10 any more, so what exactly do I have to prove? Who here said the V10 out sold the PSD? I know it did not in the Super Duty's and I highly doubt the tiny amount of motor homes sold with V10's were enough to compensate. Why is it funny that the PSD's out sold V10's in the Super Duties? I most be missing something...

Who said it was the best powertrain for towing? I think Bill and Josh said it will simply tow up a hill faster. I don't claim that, never have. I've owned PSD's, I know what they can do. But even though Josh claims they can tow up a hill faster, he still says the PSD is the better towing engine. So again, where are you getting all this "V10's are the best in class towing engine" stuff?

That said, there is a place for a gas engine. I for instance very rarely towed with mine, and most of the time I used it for my 4 mile commute to work. A diesel wouldn't even get warmed up, and most of the traffic was stop and go (i.e. it could take me over 40 minutes to go 4 miles). Spending the extra money for the PSD just didn't make since when the V10 could do what I needed it to.

Every car/truck has issues. The problem is your making it sound like the V10 is just as bad as the 6.0, and that simply isn't true. I have yet to meet a V10 owner in person with a blow spark plug, and even it was $500, that is still far less than $5000. I bet the percentage of V10 owners that have had blown plugs is equal or less than the percentage of PSD owners that have had $5000 in repairs done.

Who said the V10 is going to replace the PSD? I think that is just you trying to put words in other peoples mouth. You would have to be pretty lame to think an engine they aren't even putting in Super Duty pickups any more is going to replace the PSD, even lamer to say V10er's think that. Most politicians don't even sink that low.

 

The rev limiter has nothing to do with it. The in drive rev limiter from the factory is well over 5k rpm on the 5.4l and 6.8l trucks.

 

Not so much. The 3V 5.4L may have a close peak HP number, but there's no point across the RPM band that the 5.4L pulls harder than the V10. Meaning that if you overlay dyno sheets of the 3V 5.4L and 2V PI V10 the V10 will ALWAYS have a higher HP line.

Show me some evidence with your kindergarten skills and find me ANYTHING that states that the government controls the maximum speed a car can go.

JRfish007, good post. I, too, have been a vigorous V10 defender on this thread, and nowhere did I say that the V10 was the better engine for towing. I'm now on my second PSD truck and I've never even owned a V10.

But that doesn't mean I can't have a healthy respect for it's capabilities, which is something many diesel owners here can't seem to be capable of.

 

I agree. I have a respect for most engines, be it gas or diesel! To be critical of one persons truck because they don't have the powerplant that you think they should have, is crazy.

 

Even the Heinenken and Beck's sold here with 5% alcohol isn't the same. It's almost rancid compared to the stuff in Europe IMO. I just don't think you can ship that beer in mass quantities across the "pond" without ruining it. That's alright though, it's not like the US doesn't have it's share of small pub brews that make good beer.

Oh BTW, I believe Neons and cavaliers didn't come with governors, but getting them to 120 mph in stock form ment finding a 10 mile downhill and someone with a fast car draft from. I know my '94 Civic did not have one either, personal experience and young driver stupidity proved it didn't.

 

In order of mention:

1) Probably because they have better things to do than debate this subject without a clear position of superiority. In other words, using intelligence and logic, they decide it's best not to bother because there is no clear advantage, and it comes down to personal choice.

2) Crisis? It's actually fun to see some people continually argue their diesel is better than the V10. Or the continual "FTW" declarations from you. Are you sure you aren't that 16-year-old son all this time? Because "FTW" is something you see all over the place, especially in on-line first-person video games that are usually frequented by teenagers and early tweens. It's like "pwned".

3) I never wanted the PSD. I had a blank check from the consulting firm I worked for, to lease anything I wanted. I chose the V10 for a slew of reasons that have already been debated to death here. For me, it was the best choice, and I apparently made the correct choice. At the time, only the 7.3 was available, and I'm very glad I didn't get stuck on the side of the road for the bad CPS the 7.3 was plagued with, nor any of the slew of other things that I would have had to do with the diesel. These reasons are the same for almost every other V10 owner here, and you just don't get it. It's the best choice for them.

4) It's not about being weak - Actually, I'd say my V10 would certainly do it's job versus any stock 7.3 out there. It might not be as quick, it certainly won't get the same fuel mileage, but it's still the right choice for me. You're not here to say my V10 is weak, you're here to beat the same dead horse you've been beating since the first time you posted in this thread. You obviously love your diesel. Good for you. But that love seems to have distorted your world-view to the point where you just don't seem capable of understanding how someone with a V10 (or 5.4 for that matter) can still "love" their gas-powered Ford Superduty.



My '96 t-bird came with a 106MPH speed-limiter. When I needed new tires, I put V-rated ones on. I put in a Superchips that removed the limiter (plus a few other mods), and one day I was playing around with a beemer on a lonely stretch of 3-lane highway. I had just pulled away for the 2nd or 3rd time, got it up to around 135, and had a horrible vibration come from the driveshaft. It took out the tranny extension housing bushing, and started leaking a week later. Gee, I wonder why Ford would have put that speed limiter in there? Because they knew it was dangerous to do so? Nah, it was that "damn government".

 

One of my first cars was a Ford Tempo, it maxed out at 82 mph, no governors or anything of that nature, the engine did a fine job of governing the car. And that was the manual version...

 

The Heineken sold here in America is IDENTICAL to the Heineken sold in The Netherlands minus the color of the bottle. I lived in The Netherlands for several years, and go back every couple of years to see friends. My wife worked for Heineken. Amstel is much better than Heineken.

 

Haha, I raced a 96 Civic for about 30 miles on a deserted stretch of highway one time.
The guy thought his car was just the badest thing around, until he topped out at 128 and I laided back 1/2 mile and then blew by him at 140.

 

Ya, My young driver stupidity taught me that a '94 toyota paseo doesn't have one either.

 

My 2008 V-10 with 4.10 rear runs out of gears at around 96 mph, but it gets there pretty quick.

Pap

 

Its not that it runs out of gears, I think all SuperDutys are limited to 95.

 

I took the speed limiter off with my Predator but with the 18" tires and 4.10 it runs out at 96 or there abouts. I had a Chebby years ago with 16" tires and 4.10 and it did the same thing, just won't go any faster. I think 3.73 gears will get you to the 120's and 3.55 to the 130's with the limiter off. There's a chart for that somewhere.

Pap

 

So you are revved out at 96 MPH?

 

Time to find a new tuner.
My truck has a 4.10 axle and it will exceed 100 mph quite easily.
JL