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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 10:42 AM
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The two batteries are wired in parallel so no, you could not just hook them up to get 24 volts.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JacobKimba
Has anyone built for 24 volts yet? The diesel engine, with two batteries, would make this a possibility, wouldn't it?
I did some testing on the bench with 24 volts. There did seem to be more power and gas output on 24V.

I would also like to say that I think mounting extra batteries to power the HHO unit is not such a bad idea. Charging up a 12V battery litterally costs pennies per charge. Hell, charging a whole electric car is usually in the $2 range. This would eliminate any possible loss to the alternator and to some degree would make the truck a plug in hybrid

theres a scary thought for ya......
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Wouldn't it be possible to wire up a second alt that was 24 volts to charge the extra batteries?

David, How much more gas we talking? twice as much?
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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One More Time Whats Wrong??? Picked Up New 3x6 Plates,i Can Almost Sand Wood With Them, Used 40 Grit,wired +nnnnnn- Connections Good,started W/1 Tbls Lye,truck Running Volts 13.5-14.2,battery Amps 1.5-2.95,a/c On,volts To Gen Same,volts Between Plates 1.9-2.2 Gen Draws 0000 Amps,gas Looks Like Fog,if Thatmakes Any Sence. Went To 6 Tbls No Change.i'm So Confused!!! Parden My Typing & Spelling I Never Wuz Any Good At It
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sam-e
One More Time Whats Wrong??? Picked Up New 3x6 Plates,i Can Almost Sand Wood With Them, Used 40 Grit,wired +nnnnnn- Connections Good,started W/1 Tbls Lye,truck Running Volts 13.5-14.2,battery Amps 1.5-2.95,a/c On,volts To Gen Same,volts Between Plates 1.9-2.2 Gen Draws 0000 Amps,gas Looks Like Fog,if That makes Any Sense. Went To 6 Tbls No Change.I'm So Confused!!! Pardon My Typing & Spelling I Never Wuz Any Good At It
How about trying +nnn-nnn+ ...and if your using SS buss material to the plates, it really really has to be secure. The plates will etch themselves in the lye solution there is no reason to sand. Operation should stabilize after breaking in for an hour or so... your initial current should increase!

If your problem were chemical you could test with litmus paper(available almost at any pharmacy). One tblsp. of red devil lye to 1 gal distilled water (price 88 cents here) resulted for me in a PH of 11 which is very caustic!
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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I agree or trying -nnn+nnn- I believe I had better results that way. 1 tblsp of lye per gallon, I was drawing over 30amp and melting 10ga wire and mini-fuse.

Originally Posted by lowell75
How about trying +nnn-nnn+ ...and if your using SS buss material to the plates, it really really has to be secure. The plates will etch themselves in the lye solution there is no reason to sand. Operation should stabilize after breaking in for an hour or so... your initial current should increase!

If your problem were chemical you could test with litmus paper(available almost at any pharmacy). One tblsp. of red devil lye to 1 gal distilled water (price 88 cents here) resulted for me in a PH of 11 which is very caustic!
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bhiggins
Wouldn't it be possible to wire up a second alt that was 24 volts to charge the extra batteries?

David, How much more gas we talking? twice as much?
Higher voltage means higher wattage which means more heat unless you've configured your plates right! A lot of people then go for a PWM which may solve their problem (to much heat). If they get it (the PWM) setup right ....and it is a good one!!
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Thanks Guys, My 2 Outside Plates Are L Shape W/1/4" Bolt,lock Washer,nut, Using Drano Pro Crystals, Could That Be The Problem?lye Is Lye Right? Plates Are 316l
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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Red Devil lye is the real McCoy and has in the past been available widely!! Recently someone mentioned a product they bought at HD.... I checked my local Hd and could not find any product that expressly stated it was lye (NaOH). Van waters & Rogers used to be a walkin or/and catalogue place...you could buy I'm sure KOH there but it was most likely going to be Reagent grade (expensive!). They did have an excellent catalogue , I haven't seen mine in years.

#10 wire is specified for 30A limit...#8 for 40A , its available HD or Lowes..... you want the stranded version for 61 cents per foot. I solder the terminals on (seen too many bad crimps using non aircraft crimpers), and use 1/4 inch threaded and only resort to 10-24s in a pinch.

My test bed is a 82'Mercedes 300d and my first system a
+nnnn-nnnn+ 2x7 inch 304 plates its running 15A with some heating problems (100 degree daytime temps being the norm here in 96001 land! The alternator definitely will have to be upgraded for a 30A electrolizer.

I have a March labs toy on order thru EBAY... it hopefully will produce twice the HHO. I will definitely need the #8 wiring and am hoping the 2 tank approach will be the direction to better cooling. and and then one of these days I'll be ready to move up to the E350 IDIer.... the big stuff!

Psst I've been popping fuses for over 60 years and spent 36 years at UAL as a R&E line type. like these little green guys
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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sam-e note:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=QIZN7Su2tL4

this doesn't seem to be going in right! look up youtube "zeroFossilFuel" check out his #76 video...
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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Thanks Lowell75,just Got Back Fromthe Store No One In Town Has Red Devil Lye The Closest Ican Find Is Easy Off Oven Cleaner, Checked Pool Supply,asked For Koh Thier Answer Was What Is It Never Heardof It.the Wire Is Not A Problem,i Have Both, I'll Change The Wireing & Seewhat Happens
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lowell75
sam-e note:
fixed
YouTube - #76 - VSPB cell chamber construction part 4

this doesn't seem to be going in right! look up youtube "zeroFossilFuel" check out his #76 video...
note about :55 thru 1:20

might be cheaper and easier to find the litmus paper.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bhiggins
Wouldn't it be possible to wire up a second alt that was 24 volts to charge the extra batteries?

David, How much more gas we talking? twice as much?
Not really, but it was more than wiring the two batteries in parallel. That particular test was with only two plates about 1/8" apart. The gas being produced came out forceful enough to produce eddies in the bucket I was performing the test in. Heat was a problem after about a minute though.

The advantage of using batteries charged at home is that it is cheaper. Alternators are not very efficient, and neither are our diesels I'm afraid. Although if a 20% increace in MPG is possible it really doens't matter all that much. In my case there is no room for another alternator and I won't give up my A/C after all the work I put in it.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 10:16 PM
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For what it's worth

I'm a biodiesel maker and verry difficult to find Red Devil lye that was pure enough NaOH
(to many people using it in Meth)

I looked in the yellow pages for chemical company and called every on in there and found some that had or could get NaOH or KOH

Lots of chemical companies can get liquid KOH that are cleaning supplies (its no good for biodiesel but you guys are dumping it in water anyway )
 
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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I found This Crystal Drain cleaner, claims to be 100% lye/NAOH back in the plumbing sections at Lowes with drain snakes, etc. I think they all carry it. Here is their OL listing: 2 Lbs. Heavy Duty Crystal Drain Opener
 
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