The HHO injection thread
Mountain Pass
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I find it hard to believe that NaOH (which is used in many drain cleaners) will damage PVC pipe. Where did you get this info? I built a SMACK type unit in a 4" PVC housing and it seems fine so far. Have you found that KOH is better for PVC? If so where do you buy KOH?
New User
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What I have found out is KOH is fine with PVC. Here are a couple of links.
OWN REALIZATION / TRICKS - WATER as FUEL - review of available technologies - MDG 2006-2007
Inside is this link: Horizon Technology -- Chemical Resistance Chart
I have found introducing a resonant frequency helps boost output and one company builds a PWM which controls voltage and the freq. I will try and find the link for it again. I hope this helps. Next project will be a series unit if this works well.
OWN REALIZATION / TRICKS - WATER as FUEL - review of available technologies - MDG 2006-2007
Inside is this link: Horizon Technology -- Chemical Resistance Chart
I have found introducing a resonant frequency helps boost output and one company builds a PWM which controls voltage and the freq. I will try and find the link for it again. I hope this helps. Next project will be a series unit if this works well.
Lead Driver
Joined: Nov 2003
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
Too busy with work or other things. Had to patch my rear tank last weekend and was working out of town the weekend before. Any spare time I have is more likely to go to an up coming electric car build planned for this winter(research keeps me up late). Every winter we hope for a slowdown in construction so we can work on other things or at least relax a little but it never seems to happen.
If this recent mess don't slow things down nothing will!
I have a small flat plate stack assembled. All I need is a good airtight container to put it in. Seems to work well in a bucket but don't really know if it can put out the needed volume of gas.
We always seem to have the more involving projects on this forum. First the glow plug supertuning thread and now this. We sure are gluttons for punishment.
If this recent mess don't slow things down nothing will!
I have a small flat plate stack assembled. All I need is a good airtight container to put it in. Seems to work well in a bucket but don't really know if it can put out the needed volume of gas.
We always seem to have the more involving projects on this forum. First the glow plug supertuning thread and now this. We sure are gluttons for punishment.
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Joined: May 2007
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From: Central Florida
I also have been to busy to finish mine. But unfortunately here in Florida that construction has slowed down so much, people of all trades are going out of business left and right. I'm hanging in there for now but I'm working twice as hard to make a 3rd of the money. I've never spent so much time chasing & haggling jobs as now......this s&^*%t has got to change! Sorry off topic!
Update on my unit: changed my internal wiring from wires to ss straps 1/2" wide and shrink wrapped. I have to shave down my cap a little because my plates are a hair to long. I'm hoping soon to have it finished. I've also purchased 6ga wire and a gold fuse block w/ the gold fuses. So hopefully once I can get everything back together it will be successful!
The last time we heard from milehigh he was busy with his business also; I'm wondering how his unit is working and how his fuel mileage is?
Update on my unit: changed my internal wiring from wires to ss straps 1/2" wide and shrink wrapped. I have to shave down my cap a little because my plates are a hair to long. I'm hoping soon to have it finished. I've also purchased 6ga wire and a gold fuse block w/ the gold fuses. So hopefully once I can get everything back together it will be successful!
The last time we heard from milehigh he was busy with his business also; I'm wondering how his unit is working and how his fuel mileage is?
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From: amarillo tx
i love what i am reading and i have some questions myself. i keep seeing these reactors on ebay for not too much money ( a friend at work has some in his truck and turned me on to them) and as i read about them and hho injection in general,i keep seeing stuff about oxygen sensor enhancers. will this be a problem on a diesel or is it a non issue? also about where to put it, how about right behind the grille? it will stay cool becouse of the air flowing around it and will be easy to access. my friend at work has his mounted right next to the radiator in his old half ton chevy gas burner and it seems to do fine there.it is on the engine compartment side of the radiator support.
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Hey master, Diesel's don't have O2 sensors so you don't have to worry about that. as far as were to put it is up to you and were you can find room. Mine is in the bed but its also kinda big.
More test on mine. I ran a few runs with and without HHO and it did not change a thing. Thats not all bad I just need more HHO. The bad it MPG did not go up BUT the good is that it did not go down with the extra 20-30 amps on the alternator. I guess i need to work on more HHO at the same amps or less.
More test on mine. I ran a few runs with and without HHO and it did not change a thing. Thats not all bad I just need more HHO. The bad it MPG did not go up BUT the good is that it did not go down with the extra 20-30 amps on the alternator. I guess i need to work on more HHO at the same amps or less.
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Joined: Oct 2008
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From: Atlanta
I installed a "T" fitting above the PCV valve so I could inject hydrogen gas at all speeds (idle and cruise). When I injected the gas at idle, it showed a 29% increase in fuel efficiency using a scan gauge. This was determined by GPH decrease. I then made a test drive while injecting 20 liters per minute of pure Hydrogen into my engine. The results were disappointing. There was no real increase in Average MPG. I use the scan gauge for this but use the Today's Average MPG. I have to wait for this to reset each day. I have a 2000 6.8L V10.
Question:
Why am I getting a 29% increase at idle then nothing at cruise.
Is it possible that pre-ignition, during air intake, is the cause?
How do I stop or delay this?
Thanks,
Paul
Question:
Why am I getting a 29% increase at idle then nothing at cruise.
Is it possible that pre-ignition, during air intake, is the cause?
How do I stop or delay this?
Thanks,
Paul
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Hey TWTCAD, I am only making 1-1.5 LPM and I have a 2000 7.3. I was not expecting anything with that low of LPM but i wanted to get it in anyway to see what it did.
pmchugh7,
don't pay any attention to what that thing says. that is just calculated numbers off of engine sensors. technically at idle your fuel mileage should be 0 no matter what cause your not moving. you have to do a pump to pump mileage test. How were you getting 20lpm? do you have a bottle hooked up? If so you "should" be able to run the engine completely off hydrogen but i would not run that much. I don't think its pre-ignition during air intake or you would not have an intake to get air through. thats the bad thing about a gasser. if you have a lot of hydrogen in the intake and you get one little hiccup that puts flame into the intake -----BOOOOM-----.
pmchugh7,
don't pay any attention to what that thing says. that is just calculated numbers off of engine sensors. technically at idle your fuel mileage should be 0 no matter what cause your not moving. you have to do a pump to pump mileage test. How were you getting 20lpm? do you have a bottle hooked up? If so you "should" be able to run the engine completely off hydrogen but i would not run that much. I don't think its pre-ignition during air intake or you would not have an intake to get air through. thats the bad thing about a gasser. if you have a lot of hydrogen in the intake and you get one little hiccup that puts flame into the intake -----BOOOOM-----.