Lowe's doesn't seem to have a location anywhere in western canada.

But I was able to sift through the online catalogue for home hardware and found a few products that I can look for next time I go to town:

Home Hardware | Keyword Search

 

Looks like any of the three products should work.
None of them gave any contents, but 100% should be 100% Sodium Hydroxide.

You might want to look at the bottle if you find it in a local store just to be sure.

Kinda like me, I know the local pool supply has KOH, but I never can make it there before they close.

The lye I found at Ace Hardware, that let's me test the unit till I can catch the pool guys.

 

Well I should still install a bubbler on mine before another full test so I'll have to go to the hardware store anyway. Now that I know what to to look for, I could be set to go. I've got my fingers and everything else on my person crossed so that nothing else will come up this week. Maybe, just maybe I can install this thing over the weekend.

Depending on what I learn I may still order some KOH online eventually.

 

I'm new. This is a great thread. You are part of making something important happen. Many HHO threads get distracted by pathetic naysayers that just sap everyones energies on pointless nits while contributing nothing of importance. Some just got beaten down and died off. About June 20 I learned of the concept & saw my first generator working. Being a "measure 3 times, cut once" type I think I read the internet through (twice) gathering tips while I locating materials/tools needed. You are on the right track. More later.

 

OK guys, guess I'm going to need a little bit of help on this one... I have a couple of pics of my unit, along with the first "stacked M" plate design I made. I used the Kodak Easy Share camera we got my middle daughter for her birthday on Monday(7-7). I have the pics in the Easy Share file on my desktop and in the Kodak online gallery. But I'm having a hard time sharing them...... EASY share my foot lol, I guess it's easy if you're even semi-computer literate....

Anyhow, I tried to get them into my gallery here(hey, at least I got that far) but am stuck. I'll have my wife try to help me out tomorrow, but she's working overnights and may be too tired to want to mess with it. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

A lot of the stuff I wrote is not directed to you, but some of the posts in this thread I wanted to respond to. Hopefully you have as much fun reading this as I did writing it.


H20 is the molecular form of water, that is correct. HHO is not H20, which is why it is written differently. It is the chemical formula for the substance in question. HHO is supposedly a gas, but not water vapor, which would be H20. If it was still H20 it would not be explosive at all, it would just be steam.
Current knowledge says that the water is split into H2, hydrogen gas, and O2, oxygen gas.

However, HHO is supposedly a different substance altogether. It is somewhere between splitting H20 into H2 and O2 , because it can still be exploded to release energy, or imploded like the internet videos will tell you. Ruggero Maria Santilli and Yull Brown claimed that HHO gas, or Brown's gas, existed and claimed to create a water torch that used this new gas, HHO. However the water torch had already been invented by William A. Rhodes in 1966 that just used Hydrogen and Oxygen. HHO is a 'magnecule' according to Santilli and also an entirely new form of matter. Many conspiracy theorists and scam artists use this theory now that the mainstream community has forgotten about it.

There are many interesting claims that HHO supposedly can produce, including free energy, running a car on water, and many claims as to how much better it can weld than common welders. Yull Brown claimed his water torch ran on HHO gas, besides his invention of his water car. His investors sued him when he didn't deliver any products. He then said he would show his car working in court, but, as usual, he said it wasn't quite ready yet when the court date arrived. His water torch was also shown to just be using Rhodes invention. He was forced to repay his investors. His electrolyzer, the foundation for all of his other claims and inventions, was also shown not to work at any higher efficiency than expected.

This is pretty much how all free energy claims in the last 200 years have worked:
1. Someone claims he is close and does a demonstration of some sort convincing investors to give him money to finish his work.
2. The product never comes.

Later he died and it is now claimed by some that the government killed him to cover it all up. However, all of his patents and inventions are freely available online and have been available for everyone to look at for many years. There have of course been no advances in his technology and there is still no water car. If a water car did exist, and by that I mean that it can solely run on water, then you can have free energy. This means you could just hook up an engine to your house and get electricity for free forever. You wouldn't even have to add more water, just have a trap that cools the steam back to liquid. If his electrolyzer worked at over 100% efficiency like he claimed, this would also lead to free energy.

Conspiracy theorists often site that the military was interested in his water car and electrolyzer and therefore it must be true. Perhaps they forget how much the military knows. During the 60s and 70s the military also bought dowsing rods, along with some police departments. Just because some people high up in power with no knowledge of reality believe the dowsing rods work, doesn't mean I will. Luckily people like The Amazing Randy and others gave them some sense and they gave up on using the dowsing rods. I assume the water cars never got off the ground after the engineers, mechanics, and scientists tried to make one. The military hasn't really showed any new technology that wasn't known to exist already. The atomic bomb and the stealth fighter were already known to be possible, it was just an engineering problem that was only solved by large government investment.


The only companies I have seen that show actual research papers to prove this HHO technology are somewhat vague. There has been research into ultra lean combustion engines running at low load that show promise, but they are not in the production stage yet. They also add Hydrogen to the air-fuel mix, not HHO. You would not be able to run a normal engine at these ultra lean air fuel mixes. They also don't use water to create the Hydrogen as that would be to innefficient, instead they extract it from a fuel, like gasoline or other hydrocarbons. Besides the diesel not all burning because of not premixing the mixture, as opposed to a gasoline engine, it is a rich mixture anyway. Unless oxygen is added as well, or make the injectors inject less diesel, it is not possible to burn all of the diesel. There is extra diesel added to cool the cylinders and prevent high NOx emission.

I'm not saying it isn't possible to increase the fuel efficiency of your diesel engine by adding hydrogen. It is just not normal that technology already being used by many people, like everyone here, is surrounded by so many false claims.(like it being HHO gas) It isn't that hard to create a company selling these products, and there are many doing this. BUT, if they were confident about their product, I would at least think they would allow government evaluation of their products, or at least private firms with the capability of mass marketing it. If you gave the EPA a working product that did this, it would be available on new cars in no time, and you would sell more products. But not a single HHO company has done this.

I would love to believe the government and oil companies have the ability to have a global conspiracy, controlling 6 billion people, making sure not a single one comes to market with such a product, and that no government would choose to disobey. If anything, it would be the middle east governments running this conspiracy anyway, definitely not the U.S. We've been in their pocket since OPEC and the gas crisis, and I would think they would like to see technology like this come to market. Although I suppose with Bush anything is possible.

I will try it for myself just to be sure, but the only upside for a gas engine that I can see is the oxygen being injected into the engine. Then you can add more fuel and get more power, and much less mpg. Maybe it will work on a diesel and I will have to try that too. If it does work, I will be very happy and will do my best to help it become mainstream, but I'm not optimistic.

But to those who claim they are making Brown's gas or HHO over 100% efficiency with an electrolyzer, I don't believe it. If you are, just hook it up to an engine running on pure Hydrogen and power your house with it. Sell the free electricity you can make back to the power company. It would be the most important invention Humans have and will ever make. Personally, I don't think there will ever be free energy, no matter how many more millenia intelligent civilizations are around for.

I don't think most people know how much money and time is spent by scientists, engineers, and everyone else trying to make free energy. Whenever someone claims to have succeeded he is asked to perform a demonstration in a lab, not on youtube. This is to make sure there are no hidden batteries or some other clever ploy to fool people. Or he can make his plans public so others have the opportunity to repeat the experiment. They all fail time after time. As for scientists covering up their work, it seems odd. Recently a prominent physicist at Boulder did many public talks into his research showing 911 was a conspiracy and nobody covered that up. Eventually he was fired for pushing his theory on his freshmen class time after time, people that are very impressionable and do not have the ability to analyze it themselves. The only cover up has been covering up global warming science, but everything came to light in the media anyway, not much of a cover up.

 

damnit, I hope i'm not a pathetic naysayer
lol

 

OK, let me give this a try

- No one is claiming here that a mythical magnetic HHO molecule or whatever exists. The thread is "misnamed", but no-one except the nay-sayers cares

- Everyone seems to agree (that gives a **** ***) that 2-H20 --> 2-H2 + O2 when you run electric current through an electrolyzer.

- No one is claiming > 100% efficiency of anything.

- No one is looking for free energy.

- No one is looking for "funding" or a handout.

- There has been some talk of "conspirecy theories", but that is not the real subject here. So what? This is a casual place, and it's interesting to hear what others are thinking. I've learned a lot by just ignoring a tiny bit of (what I consider to be) nonsense...

- Initial results look very promissing, but not yet conclusive (at least to me). Time will tell.

 

Oops, the court case, dying and plans on the net were in regard to Stan Meyers, not Brown, who someone said earlier had 'proved' his water fuel cell to exist

 

I second every one of those remarks. As was stated VERY early on in this thread:

This is not about overunity, perpetual motion, unlimited energy or any other kind of philosopher's stone

As for injecting more fuel to cool the cylinders and lower Nox emissions, that applies to gasoline EFI engines and not our old IDI diesels. Not sure about the powerstrokes. As a rule diesels run a variable fuel/air mixture ratio.

Doug, I was not aware that HHO was considered a specific gas on its own who's existance is denied by conventional science. I thought of it as separated oxygen and hydrogen and thats what I believe is being produced here (two seperate gasses that are mixed when exiting the tube). Whatever the terminology, I really could not care less and I don't know what more you want from us. I think we have all been very patient so far with you, but it would be nice if you had something more constructive to offer.

 

Doug the first 2-3 sentences would have been fine to answer my question. Thanks for the explanation. I am just an auto mechanic not a scientist. By the way Diesels (until 06-07) don't have anyway to stop the air flow. They can take in as much as they want. everything is controlled by how much fuel you put in. More fuel the RPMs go up less fuel they come down. I have an 01 power stroke so if i add hydrogen to the system the rpms will want to come up, the computer sees that then slows down the injector pulse width and puts in less fuel to bring the rpms back down. in the end that makes less diesel in the cylinder so better fuel mileage. not to mention burning all the fuel by adding hydrogen creates more power so the computer puts in less fuel again and more MPG.

 

Yes HHO is a commonly misused terminology. Science and scientists have very specific terminology used to describe very specific things, be it chemistry, physics, medicine, etc. In high school physics I was told that "Centrifugal force" didn't exist, that it was really centripital acceleration. But I think most folks have heard of a centrifuge...

We are really just using electric current to split water atoms into hydrogen and oxygen, then using those gasses to enhance combustion of fossil fuels via faster flame front propagation(at least that's how the theory goes). Doug will soon have the chance to test out my unit, we'll see what results he comes up with. In the end it really does not matter what you call it as long as it achieves the desired results, which for us are better mileage and hopefully reduced emissions.

 

The same goes for me.

I did not know they limited the air intake on the newer models.

So, since my IDI Diesel is 100% mechanical injection, with no computer to control the idle fuel, would it also idle using less fuel?
I do expect to be using less throttle while driving gaining more mileage.

 

You ever dealt with the courts,there morons and not qualified to determine the validity of anything other than when to break for lunch,period..

 

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