Dude... you need to do a lot more hard calculations with real numbers over a much longer time than just going a little longer apparently on a tank of fuel. Give us some real numbers like your last 5 fillups before doing anything. And make sure your not changing a whole other bunch of variables too that could give you more mpg.

I'm not opposed to folks experimenting, I'm all about it. If your doing DIY for cheap thats one thing. giving a grand to a scammer for one of the kits is what i dont particularly reccomend.

The math seems to debunk pretty much any substantial gain on a gasser. The whole idea about diesel though I am not sure. Is there really that much unburnt diesel? How much? 10%? 20%? Studies i've seen show gassers burning 99% of the fuel unless something is wrong. I dont know much about diesel but if there is a huge amount of unburnt fuel I'd suggest perhaps a tuneup or rebuild would do more good that HHO.

For some math you can read the debunking HHO page on Discovery website: Enough already with water-4-gas, hydro-assist and PICC... - Topic Powered by eve community I just wish they addressed the diesel perspective more.

 

Between unburnt fuel and partially burnt fuel, I am going to say that 20 to 30 percent of the fuel going into the engine is not burnt.

So it the flame spread happens faster, and you can burn all of the fuel, that translates to a 20 to 30 percent increase in MPG.

Right now I am burning about 1700 gallons of fuel a year.
If I could reduce that by 30%, that would save me 510 gallons a year or close to 2500 dollars.

Or if I save 10% that is still 170 gallons saved, over 800 dollars, and several times the cost of my generator.

Right now I have about 200 dollars invested in materials, an 800 dollar return on a 200 dollar investment makes good sense to me.

And just perchance I get the 2500 dollar return on the 200 dollar investment, well that sure beats what I would get on a savings account or in the stock market.
For that matter, so would the 800 dollar return.

 

OK guys I have a few things to update you on.....

First off, I sent my unit to Dougphysics about two weeks ago. I have not seen him post anything here in a while. I sent him an email asking if he got it yet, which he has yet to respond to. We'll see what happens....

Next item, I went back over the whole thread looking for a link to a design that I saw. It was made up of plates seperated by "gaskets" made from the plastic strips that go over doorways to walk-in coolers. I don't even recall if it was linked here, just that I saw it in the last few weeks. The electrolite was entirely contained within the unit rather than the plates sitting in a casing filled with electrolite. If anyone has a link to that and could post it I'd appreciate it.

I have been kicking that design around in my head some. With one of the cart shelves (18"X30") you could get eight plates that measured 7.5"X9", using one on each end for power and six neutral plates in between them. If you made the gasket around the perimiter 1" wide you would have a surface area of 539 in. sq. If you went to 3/4" wide you would have 630 in. sq. and at 1/2" wide you would have 728 in. sq. The thickness of the stack would remain the same. I counted one side of each charged plate and both sides of the neutral plates in figuring those areas, and did not use a correction factor to account for roughening up the surfaces.

Last thing I thought about was this. Almost every design I've seen uses a bubbler as an anti-flashback device. If you live in an area that gets freezing weather you will need to have something in the bubbler that will not freeze up on you in the winter. I also saw some clips on You-Tube about vaporizers for both water and (this just sounds scary) gasoline. The idea is to use aquarium bubbler stones to let air bubble up through the liquid, vaporizing it before it is drawn into the engine. I have also looked into water/methanol injection systems in the past. So I thought why not use a water/meth solution (aka winter mix washer fluid) in the bubbler and put it close to the intake and bubble the HHO through it so that you get hydrogen enhancement and water/meth induction all at the same time?

Maybe this idea has been put out there already, but I don't recall seeing it in the posts I've read. Anyhow, comments and discussion are always welcome....

 

Washer fluid for the bubbler.......I like it! Good thinking. I've been told the basic winter blend is what is generally used for water/meth injection anyway so it should be a good way to run the system in the winter.

 

The boublers primary function is to wash the gas preventing corrosives from passing, it working as an
adequate check valve is secondary!

 

FWIW

Formula for cheaper gas: Baking soda, water, $200 | KATU.com - Portland, Oregon | News

Be sure to pick the video link below the picture. they interview the guy and show how he monted the system in the back of his truck.

 

I did hear back from Doug today, he has been busy and had a notice of "Attempt to Deliver" from the USPS. He said he will be picking it up in the next day or so. Meanwhile I will be working on the stacked plate design this weekend.

 

need some advise from the experts, 5 plates + ||| -,1/8 gap,2 tbls sodium hydroxide,pulling 13.3 v.from battery &10 amp charger,amps from charger to battery 6-8,ampsfrom battery to gen. .03,voltage from+ to first plate 3.6,+to2nd 6.9,+ to 3rd 10 v.plates are 3x41/2,wire is 10 ga. not sure if i need to add more plates or more sodium,gas production low. i think at this rate it would take many more tbls. any advise would be appreciated

 

78Bigbronco: I've been running SVO for 20 months. During that time I would fill up the front tank, 15 to 17 gallons, which was in the red on the gage and top off the back tank which usually was around 1/2 tank on payday. Last friday was payday and I am still running on the front tank and haven't been to the filling station in over 2 weeks. I also haven't used any gas from the back tank as the fuel selector valve died back in the beginning of june. I do agree that people need to watch out for the scammers. Before I knew about all of the free information online, I "bought" some information off EBAY. I should have looked before I jumped but as the saying goes, live and learn. I am out less than $50.00 so I can't complain. I have found that running window washer fluid works fine as I posted on page 32. I'm trying tap water, rain water and windshield washer fluid to see if there is any differance. I see no differance. I also use baking soda instead of lye. Seems to me lye is more caustic or corrosive than baking soda. What is the advantage of lye and how much do you use?

 

Have not heard alot from MileHighydroguy latley

how are your test going man

I'd also like to hear some MPG real world experience from some that have it installed

 

dyoungen: Baking soda will break down giving you lye. Why not start out with what you'll end up with and not add carbon to the system. Carbon coats the plates reducing their effectiveness.

sam-e: The voltage between plates shoud be in the 1.5 to 2.0 range. Anything above about 2 volts turns to heat which you do not want. I would suggest going to 8 plate/7 cells for optimum performance.

 

I've decided to go to a 7cell device like the Tero cell. A friend of mine gave me 6 19 1/2 X 15 1/4 SS plates. I don't know if they are 304 or 316, but the price was right. I cut them into 4 equal pieces and plan to make my cells by routing frames out of 1/4 acrylic. I'll make the frames about 1/4" smaller than the outside of the SS plates. The outer piecs of plastic will be bigger so that I can put a small fan like a computer fan to blow air across the exposed edges of the plates to hold the temperature down. I plan on using my truck to pull freight with so it will have to run for extended periods of time. I gave up on the 4" pipe with switch box covers because I didn't want to deal with the current leakage around the edges of the plates.

 

marianna, i'll try that,what about the amp draw being so low ,will 8 plates raise the amps? many thanks

 

sam-e: The amp draw is controlled by the concentration of sodium hydroxide. There is a limit on how much to use but I think it is in the range of 25% NaOH. In BoB Boyce's website he states that Potassium Hydroxide concentration limit is 28 or 29%. More than that and the output goes down. It sounds like you can add a lot more NaOH to getbthe current up. You didn't say how big your plates were. If you did I missed it, Sorry.

 

marianna: just added 3 more plates, volts droped on firstplate the rest stayed pretty much the same,plates are 3x41/2,1/8 gap,2tbls sodium hydroxide (lye) to2 1/2 gal distilled water