The HHO injection thread
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Hi all,
I am sorry i have been away for some time now, been real busy building shuffleboard tabels (my real job) and have had NO TIME to play with the hydrogen projects.
To add to my frustations my truck got smarter, damn it! the ECU is overiding my gains back down to 17MPG which is still a 40% increase over what i was getting before but now i need to enlist the services of a tech kid that can reprogramm the ECU to stop "learning". My freind at the diesel clinic took his 2005 Dodge ECU out! completely!
That may be an idea!
I talked with a scientist yesterday that lives here in the Denver area that saw my "you tube" videos. He has been playing with Hydrogen for 30 years. He gave me a lot if valuable information on cell construction, electronics and the pyhsics of HHO production.
Bottom line in all my late night investigation and learning and his advice is we are wasting our time trying to improve on HHO production using "brute force electrolysis". you need to convert 12vdc to 110vac and then rectified to 160+vdc and use high volts and low amps, Then find the "right frequencies(there are 3 you should apply at the same time!)" for your specific generator design and then "imply sound waves" in a "specific frequency" to crack the "code" as he put it! All these "specifics" are the mystery! He did tell me that "magnetics" play a big part in all of this!
Last October a device exactly as described was pattented and is now being developed for production. Dont hold your breath.
http://www.spheresvcsltd.com/linked/...4_08_14_pt.pdf
I have been trying to sneak in some building time to construct tube cells for this very reason, it makes me feel good when i come up with an idea and then discover that it has been proven or has at least been accepted in the pattent office as a viable design. I may be late but i am still proceeding with my quest to find resonance!
Resonance is what we seek, harmonics in electrionics, audio waves, hydraulics, water content and cell construction is the key to the formula to get there. For the vehicles we have today we will never be able to replace fossil fuels completely unless someone cracks the code to produce a ridiculous amount of hydroxy, enough to replace gas and diesel. until then we will have to be content with getting a few more MPG's and more importantly cleaning up our exhaust which is absolutely possible and should be manditory!
I have learned alot in my late night learning mode. I find that Monoatomic hydrogen (hydroxy from normal electrolysis) is 2 times more potent than diatomic parahydrogen (normal tank hydrogen) which has the lowest energy value of all hydrogens. Freshly produced hydroxy from a resonance reaction cell is 4 times more potent in energy value. That is what we seek but getting resonance reaction cell to cooperate is the hard part!
I have also learned that hydrogen embrittlement is not a concern unles you are driving a race engine at high temps or welding with wet steel. in normal everday engines with a filter system to reduce the amount of vapor getting into the engine, HEMB as i call it is minimal at best and not an issue. The mason jar plastic lid HHO units are a disaster waiting to happen and have given HHO a bad rap! they need to go away along with the PVC tubing built units that melt at first use!
Well, my glue is probably dry now so back to work! I will try not to stay away so long!
Later guys! and carry on with the research, one of us is bound to come across the answers!
Tim
PS! anyone need a shuffleboard table since i am so busy i might as well stay that way! LOL
http://www.mercershuffleboards.com/
I am sorry i have been away for some time now, been real busy building shuffleboard tabels (my real job) and have had NO TIME to play with the hydrogen projects.
To add to my frustations my truck got smarter, damn it! the ECU is overiding my gains back down to 17MPG which is still a 40% increase over what i was getting before but now i need to enlist the services of a tech kid that can reprogramm the ECU to stop "learning". My freind at the diesel clinic took his 2005 Dodge ECU out! completely!
That may be an idea!
I talked with a scientist yesterday that lives here in the Denver area that saw my "you tube" videos. He has been playing with Hydrogen for 30 years. He gave me a lot if valuable information on cell construction, electronics and the pyhsics of HHO production.
Bottom line in all my late night investigation and learning and his advice is we are wasting our time trying to improve on HHO production using "brute force electrolysis". you need to convert 12vdc to 110vac and then rectified to 160+vdc and use high volts and low amps, Then find the "right frequencies(there are 3 you should apply at the same time!)" for your specific generator design and then "imply sound waves" in a "specific frequency" to crack the "code" as he put it! All these "specifics" are the mystery! He did tell me that "magnetics" play a big part in all of this!
Last October a device exactly as described was pattented and is now being developed for production. Dont hold your breath.
http://www.spheresvcsltd.com/linked/...4_08_14_pt.pdf
I have been trying to sneak in some building time to construct tube cells for this very reason, it makes me feel good when i come up with an idea and then discover that it has been proven or has at least been accepted in the pattent office as a viable design. I may be late but i am still proceeding with my quest to find resonance!
Resonance is what we seek, harmonics in electrionics, audio waves, hydraulics, water content and cell construction is the key to the formula to get there. For the vehicles we have today we will never be able to replace fossil fuels completely unless someone cracks the code to produce a ridiculous amount of hydroxy, enough to replace gas and diesel. until then we will have to be content with getting a few more MPG's and more importantly cleaning up our exhaust which is absolutely possible and should be manditory!
I have learned alot in my late night learning mode. I find that Monoatomic hydrogen (hydroxy from normal electrolysis) is 2 times more potent than diatomic parahydrogen (normal tank hydrogen) which has the lowest energy value of all hydrogens. Freshly produced hydroxy from a resonance reaction cell is 4 times more potent in energy value. That is what we seek but getting resonance reaction cell to cooperate is the hard part!
I have also learned that hydrogen embrittlement is not a concern unles you are driving a race engine at high temps or welding with wet steel. in normal everday engines with a filter system to reduce the amount of vapor getting into the engine, HEMB as i call it is minimal at best and not an issue. The mason jar plastic lid HHO units are a disaster waiting to happen and have given HHO a bad rap! they need to go away along with the PVC tubing built units that melt at first use!
Well, my glue is probably dry now so back to work! I will try not to stay away so long!
Later guys! and carry on with the research, one of us is bound to come across the answers!
Tim
PS! anyone need a shuffleboard table since i am so busy i might as well stay that way! LOL
http://www.mercershuffleboards.com/
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Good to hear from you Milehigh, sounds like we stile have aways to go i just finished wiring the truck,(96 f350 c/cap 4x4) did a frame mount gen in the bed bubbler,ready to top everything off for a test run,i"ll post results
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I don't really have an anwer for you. When I bought a relay I got a starter relay and later found out that this was a very bad idea because they can get stuck in the on or off position. Like milehighhydroguy, I have a day job thats keeping me busy so I haven't been able to look into this. I think relays that are used to power campers or larger camping tailers are constant duty rated. Sorry I can't be of more help.
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David 85, i called napa they said that theydidnt have one ,thanks for getten back,my house a/c went out a few weeks ago, thought i'd rob the relay out of it & see if it would work,so for so good,i will have to inclose it sence it not water proof
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I find that Monoatomic hydrogen (hydroxy from normal electrolysis) is 2 times more potent than diatomic parahydrogen (normal tank hydrogen) which has the lowest energy value of all hydrogens
How many hydrogens are there?
The sad thing is I know you're not referring to the other isotopes of hydrogen like deuterium or tritium, but instead believe there are variations of the same atom.
How many waters are there?
How many silvers are there?
Its the same element, the same atoms, they are all the same exact thing. They are going to behave exactly the same as the other atoms of hydrogen, because they are identical.
from any encyclopedia or textbook you can find what is written below.
One important use of electrolysis of water is to produce hydrogen.
<dl><dd>2H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>(l)</sub> → 2H<sub>2(g)</sub> + O<sub>2(g)</sub></dd></dl>
<dl><dd>2H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>(l)</sub> → 2H<sub>2(g)</sub> + O<sub>2(g)</sub></dd></dl>
And also it's impossible to create monoatomic hydrogen in a gaseous form.
That pdf wasn't a patent, if you can't find the actual patent I doubt it exists. Stan Meyers has a patent on this whole resonance frequency electrolysis anyway, and his plans are all available online(for free). There are lots of youtube videos with the Stan Meyers fuel cell, they don't look much worse than DC electrolysis so I would start there.
Stan Meyers claims that you would get over 100% efficiency using his design but I still haven't seen any perpetual motion machines, which would be the first thing I would build if it did in fact work. Which is why I take it all with a grain of salt.
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You are not alone. But I'm trying to keep an open mind and will use the "wait and see" approach for now.
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I found that are different hydrogens and that the hydroxy we create by electrolysis is classified as monatomic. disagree, ok? MR EXPERT ON EVERYTHING! Where are your contributions? where are your videos of your hydroxy devices contributing to cleaner air for us all and better fuel mileage? anything that is posted and the expert Doug jumps all over it. You sir are the main reason i have not been around in a long time truth be told and here i am posting again and find that you are there to try to disprove and knock down anything that I post.
Here is the WIPO filing for Mr. Rodolphes patent claim, you can go find the patent yourself! ref PCT Number US2007/022346
(WO/2008/051479) IN-VEHICLE HYDROGEN GENERATION PLANT
Go away Doug, just Go away!
Here is the WIPO filing for Mr. Rodolphes patent claim, you can go find the patent yourself! ref PCT Number US2007/022346
(WO/2008/051479) IN-VEHICLE HYDROGEN GENERATION PLANT
Go away Doug, just Go away!
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I'm only jumping all over it because it's not true. Electrolysis has been around since 1800, and it's been known for a long time that only the noble gases are monatomic.
I'm not an expert on that, it's been studied and proved long ago. I don't know what you mean by 'found' out it's monatomic. I could only assume you read it somewhere online.
If you posted something that was true, or at least debatable, I wouldn't say you're wrong. If you say you're pumping in hydrogen and oxygen (hydroxy) to burn all the diesel and get better mpg I wouldn't say that you're completely ignorant and believe anything you see online, that's a debatable and yet to be proven/disproven concept.
I'm just stating already known facts.
Why would I bother posting a youtube video of a hydroxy device, it's been known how to make them since 1800. We made them in highschool chemistry class.
If you want cleaner air for everyone and know how to make these devices send it into the EPA.
The EPA Motor Vehicle Aftermaket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program is designed specifically to try out devices like this so that they know if they work. As of now, no HHO manufacturer has sent one in, which is why the government has no data on these devices. If you send one in and it works they would be happy to put them on all cars. There would also be a legitimate study on this, at last.
I'm not an expert on that, it's been studied and proved long ago. I don't know what you mean by 'found' out it's monatomic. I could only assume you read it somewhere online.
If you posted something that was true, or at least debatable, I wouldn't say you're wrong. If you say you're pumping in hydrogen and oxygen (hydroxy) to burn all the diesel and get better mpg I wouldn't say that you're completely ignorant and believe anything you see online, that's a debatable and yet to be proven/disproven concept.
I'm just stating already known facts.
Why would I bother posting a youtube video of a hydroxy device, it's been known how to make them since 1800. We made them in highschool chemistry class.
If you want cleaner air for everyone and know how to make these devices send it into the EPA.
The EPA Motor Vehicle Aftermaket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program is designed specifically to try out devices like this so that they know if they work. As of now, no HHO manufacturer has sent one in, which is why the government has no data on these devices. If you send one in and it works they would be happy to put them on all cars. There would also be a legitimate study on this, at last.
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Each person is free to have any idea or thoughs they choose to have.
Trial and error is also responsible for more inventions than any other method to date.
All I can say is let's all just try to get along, this thread has be very interesting so far and does show some promise to increase MPG on older diesels.
After thinking about the pilot injection on the new engines, I think they are out of the game for a drastic change by adding HHO.
The initial ignition event would consume all the HHO, and may be over before the second fuel charge hits the cylinder.
If everyone wants to build a HHO generator, that is a fine thing.
There are a lot worse things that everyone could be doing with the time they spend on this project.
Even if the end result is only a 1 MPG increase, it will pay for the generator in time.
And if the emissions are reduced by a couple percent, that is a good thing as well.
A person with a negative outlook can cause some people to work harder to prove them wrong.
That same person can upset some people as well.
To me, it don't really make any difference what anybody says, I only believe what I see with my own eyes.
And even after I see it, I still don't give it much weight untill I can back it up with solid numbers.
If my mileage shot up 35% over a tank of fuel, so what.
If it shoots up 35% over 2000 miles, then yes we are on to something.
And I just picked 35% out of the air.
Trial and error is also responsible for more inventions than any other method to date.
All I can say is let's all just try to get along, this thread has be very interesting so far and does show some promise to increase MPG on older diesels.
After thinking about the pilot injection on the new engines, I think they are out of the game for a drastic change by adding HHO.
The initial ignition event would consume all the HHO, and may be over before the second fuel charge hits the cylinder.
If everyone wants to build a HHO generator, that is a fine thing.
There are a lot worse things that everyone could be doing with the time they spend on this project.
Even if the end result is only a 1 MPG increase, it will pay for the generator in time.
And if the emissions are reduced by a couple percent, that is a good thing as well.
A person with a negative outlook can cause some people to work harder to prove them wrong.
That same person can upset some people as well.
To me, it don't really make any difference what anybody says, I only believe what I see with my own eyes.
And even after I see it, I still don't give it much weight untill I can back it up with solid numbers.
If my mileage shot up 35% over a tank of fuel, so what.
If it shoots up 35% over 2000 miles, then yes we are on to something.
And I just picked 35% out of the air.
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Proven science is always true....until it's proven different! Tommy Lee Jones makes a great statement on the movie Men in Black that I think says it all.
Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
Doug is only stating what is known and proven TODAY! I cannot disagree with his statements TODAY. I do believe there is a safe, reliable way to improve engines pollutants and increase mileage by injecting HHO and perhaps "tomorrow" the idea will be propelling autos down the road with regular fuel only being used to get the engine running...who knows!
Keep on posting milehigh and don't get upset over any naysayer comments. This thread is great just for the different ideas and knowledge that's been posted.
Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
Doug is only stating what is known and proven TODAY! I cannot disagree with his statements TODAY. I do believe there is a safe, reliable way to improve engines pollutants and increase mileage by injecting HHO and perhaps "tomorrow" the idea will be propelling autos down the road with regular fuel only being used to get the engine running...who knows!
Keep on posting milehigh and don't get upset over any naysayer comments. This thread is great just for the different ideas and knowledge that's been posted.
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Ok guys I havent read more than the first page on this subject.. untill today, (just to see how many pages it was) wow!! 49/50 ... lots of work on this subject.....I will have to go back and read it all....I do see some bickering/stepedontoes... lets see what we can all contribute on tha subject and help eachother out... like my old boss used to say "fight nice"..........
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Well, it looks like I'm out. If I can't see any gains with my '05 PSD I guess I'll have to leave the cool stuff to you guys. I just don't have the time to devote to a project like this just for fun. I have too many other things I like to do for fun! Maybe one day I will pick up an old 7.3 to play with.
I was just looking at the PDF document that you linked to describing a product being prepared for production. I read through it briefly and there were a couple of lines that seem strange to me.
First of all in the middle of page 5 they state:
An auxiliary battery charges the diffusion unit in order to extract water from the tank by separating molecules and forcing hydrogen through an additional compression canister. From there, the hydrogen flows to the engine regulated by a chip which monitors the flow rate. Several inline pressure regulators maintain pressure and cause the system to shut down in the event of a leak. The byproduct is oxygen, which is released into the atmosphere.
I have bolded the important line. Why is this a byproduct that should be vented?
Then the very next line...
The hydrogen is then combined with air from the air intake in the engine chambers.
So you vent oxygen (that just happens to be at the exact ratio that you require for combustion) and then you bring in air from the atmosphere (along with other impurities) and you burn the Hydrogen (which combines with the Oxygen), recreating water?
Regardless of the obvious "perpetual motion machine" look of this, there are some pretty basic items that seem to be tossed to the side here. They also suggest that a diesel engine can be run entirely on Hydrogen but I don't see how this is possible given the lack of spark for ignition. Am I missing something?
I know, this does not directly relate to what you all are trying to do but to me I think these are the last people to look to for any assistance or direction. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but this document doesn't seem to be filled with much fact. They are not really lying, it's more that they are leaving out the truth.
Anyway, good luck to you all and I will be watching with great interest.
Hi all,
I am sorry i have been away for some time now, been real busy building shuffleboard tabels (my real job) and have had NO TIME to play with the hydrogen projects.
To add to my frustations my truck got smarter, damn it! the ECU is overiding my gains back down to 17MPG which is still a 40% increase over what i was getting before but now i need to enlist the services of a tech kid that can reprogramm the ECU to stop "learning". My freind at the diesel clinic took his 2005 Dodge ECU out! completely!
That may be an idea!
I talked with a scientist yesterday that lives here in the Denver area that saw my "you tube" videos. He has been playing with Hydrogen for 30 years. He gave me a lot if valuable information on cell construction, electronics and the pyhsics of HHO production.
Bottom line in all my late night investigation and learning and his advice is we are wasting our time trying to improve on HHO production using "brute force electrolysis". you need to convert 12vdc to 110vac and then rectified to 160+vdc and use high volts and low amps, Then find the "right frequencies(there are 3 you should apply at the same time!)" for your specific generator design and then "imply sound waves" in a "specific frequency" to crack the "code" as he put it! All these "specifics" are the mystery! He did tell me that "magnetics" play a big part in all of this!
Last October a device exactly as described was pattented and is now being developed for production. Dont hold your breath.
http://www.spheresvcsltd.com/linked/...4_08_14_pt.pdf
I have been trying to sneak in some building time to construct tube cells for this very reason, it makes me feel good when i come up with an idea and then discover that it has been proven or has at least been accepted in the pattent office as a viable design. I may be late but i am still proceeding with my quest to find resonance!
Resonance is what we seek, harmonics in electrionics, audio waves, hydraulics, water content and cell construction is the key to the formula to get there. For the vehicles we have today we will never be able to replace fossil fuels completely unless someone cracks the code to produce a ridiculous amount of hydroxy, enough to replace gas and diesel. until then we will have to be content with getting a few more MPG's and more importantly cleaning up our exhaust which is absolutely possible and should be manditory!
I have learned alot in my late night learning mode. I find that Monoatomic hydrogen (hydroxy from normal electrolysis) is 2 times more potent than diatomic parahydrogen (normal tank hydrogen) which has the lowest energy value of all hydrogens. Freshly produced hydroxy from a resonance reaction cell is 4 times more potent in energy value. That is what we seek but getting resonance reaction cell to cooperate is the hard part!
I have also learned that hydrogen embrittlement is not a concern unles you are driving a race engine at high temps or welding with wet steel. in normal everday engines with a filter system to reduce the amount of vapor getting into the engine, HEMB as i call it is minimal at best and not an issue. The mason jar plastic lid HHO units are a disaster waiting to happen and have given HHO a bad rap! they need to go away along with the PVC tubing built units that melt at first use!
Well, my glue is probably dry now so back to work! I will try not to stay away so long!
Later guys! and carry on with the research, one of us is bound to come across the answers!
Tim
PS! anyone need a shuffleboard table since i am so busy i might as well stay that way! LOL
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I am sorry i have been away for some time now, been real busy building shuffleboard tabels (my real job) and have had NO TIME to play with the hydrogen projects.
To add to my frustations my truck got smarter, damn it! the ECU is overiding my gains back down to 17MPG which is still a 40% increase over what i was getting before but now i need to enlist the services of a tech kid that can reprogramm the ECU to stop "learning". My freind at the diesel clinic took his 2005 Dodge ECU out! completely!
That may be an idea!
I talked with a scientist yesterday that lives here in the Denver area that saw my "you tube" videos. He has been playing with Hydrogen for 30 years. He gave me a lot if valuable information on cell construction, electronics and the pyhsics of HHO production.
Bottom line in all my late night investigation and learning and his advice is we are wasting our time trying to improve on HHO production using "brute force electrolysis". you need to convert 12vdc to 110vac and then rectified to 160+vdc and use high volts and low amps, Then find the "right frequencies(there are 3 you should apply at the same time!)" for your specific generator design and then "imply sound waves" in a "specific frequency" to crack the "code" as he put it! All these "specifics" are the mystery! He did tell me that "magnetics" play a big part in all of this!
Last October a device exactly as described was pattented and is now being developed for production. Dont hold your breath.
http://www.spheresvcsltd.com/linked/...4_08_14_pt.pdf
I have been trying to sneak in some building time to construct tube cells for this very reason, it makes me feel good when i come up with an idea and then discover that it has been proven or has at least been accepted in the pattent office as a viable design. I may be late but i am still proceeding with my quest to find resonance!
Resonance is what we seek, harmonics in electrionics, audio waves, hydraulics, water content and cell construction is the key to the formula to get there. For the vehicles we have today we will never be able to replace fossil fuels completely unless someone cracks the code to produce a ridiculous amount of hydroxy, enough to replace gas and diesel. until then we will have to be content with getting a few more MPG's and more importantly cleaning up our exhaust which is absolutely possible and should be manditory!
I have learned alot in my late night learning mode. I find that Monoatomic hydrogen (hydroxy from normal electrolysis) is 2 times more potent than diatomic parahydrogen (normal tank hydrogen) which has the lowest energy value of all hydrogens. Freshly produced hydroxy from a resonance reaction cell is 4 times more potent in energy value. That is what we seek but getting resonance reaction cell to cooperate is the hard part!
I have also learned that hydrogen embrittlement is not a concern unles you are driving a race engine at high temps or welding with wet steel. in normal everday engines with a filter system to reduce the amount of vapor getting into the engine, HEMB as i call it is minimal at best and not an issue. The mason jar plastic lid HHO units are a disaster waiting to happen and have given HHO a bad rap! they need to go away along with the PVC tubing built units that melt at first use!
Well, my glue is probably dry now so back to work! I will try not to stay away so long!
Later guys! and carry on with the research, one of us is bound to come across the answers!
Tim
PS! anyone need a shuffleboard table since i am so busy i might as well stay that way! LOL
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First of all in the middle of page 5 they state:
An auxiliary battery charges the diffusion unit in order to extract water from the tank by separating molecules and forcing hydrogen through an additional compression canister. From there, the hydrogen flows to the engine regulated by a chip which monitors the flow rate. Several inline pressure regulators maintain pressure and cause the system to shut down in the event of a leak. The byproduct is oxygen, which is released into the atmosphere.
Then the very next line...
The hydrogen is then combined with air from the air intake in the engine chambers.
Regardless of the obvious "perpetual motion machine" look of this, there are some pretty basic items that seem to be tossed to the side here. They also suggest that a diesel engine can be run entirely on Hydrogen but I don't see how this is possible given the lack of spark for ignition. Am I missing something?
I know, this does not directly relate to what you all are trying to do but to me I think these are the last people to look to for any assistance or direction. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but this document doesn't seem to be filled with much fact. They are not really lying, it's more that they are leaving out the truth.
Anyway, good luck to you all and I will be watching with great interest.
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Rare1,
I don't know how much delay there is between fuel shots on the pilot or split shot injection.
The biggest feature I see for us IDI diesels is the flame speed of hydrogen.
With enough hydrogen, the flame should spread almost instantly across the combustion chamber, which should help ignite the fuel along the walls.
Burning the fuel close to the walls is one area where the IDI needs help.
The high flame speed of hydrogen should help the fuel ignite before it gets to the walls.
If the second injection event on the pilot injectors is soon enough after the first event, HHO may still help the Power Stroke more than I am thinking it would right now.
I don't know how much delay there is between fuel shots on the pilot or split shot injection.
The biggest feature I see for us IDI diesels is the flame speed of hydrogen.
With enough hydrogen, the flame should spread almost instantly across the combustion chamber, which should help ignite the fuel along the walls.
Burning the fuel close to the walls is one area where the IDI needs help.
The high flame speed of hydrogen should help the fuel ignite before it gets to the walls.
If the second injection event on the pilot injectors is soon enough after the first event, HHO may still help the Power Stroke more than I am thinking it would right now.
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OK, here's just some free-flow thinking and ideas to kick around. With HHO being introduced into the intake and given its much faster flame propagation perhaps it is raising cylinder pressure and/or temp slightly earlier in the cycle. Now even if all the HHO is burned between pilot injection and main injection the higher temp/press causes the main shot of fuel to ignite earlier giving it longer to combust before the valves open.
Perhaps it causes more complete combustion of the pilot injection fuel, leading to more complete combustion of the main fuel charge.
Maybe there is still some HHO and pilot injection fuel burning when the main fuel charge is introduced, again leading to better combustion of the main fuel charge.
Hey, they're just theories so kick them around some....
Perhaps it causes more complete combustion of the pilot injection fuel, leading to more complete combustion of the main fuel charge.
Maybe there is still some HHO and pilot injection fuel burning when the main fuel charge is introduced, again leading to better combustion of the main fuel charge.
Hey, they're just theories so kick them around some....