The HHO injection thread
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dimcbm,
At idle I was using the scan gauge monitoring GPH (gallons per hour). As soon as I injected 20 LPM, the GPH dropped 29%. I'm using an air calibrated flow meter. My testing shows that it's actually 40 LPM pure hydrogen. I am using a tank of pure hydrogen. There is no way to generate 40 LPM of hydrogen with an on-board system. Stan Myers God Rest His Soul.
At idle I was using the scan gauge monitoring GPH (gallons per hour). As soon as I injected 20 LPM, the GPH dropped 29%. I'm using an air calibrated flow meter. My testing shows that it's actually 40 LPM pure hydrogen. I am using a tank of pure hydrogen. There is no way to generate 40 LPM of hydrogen with an on-board system. Stan Myers God Rest His Soul.
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It would be nice to know if anyone else is having any luck with this. I have installed a "SMACK" 16 plate cell and it seems to be making a little difference but not much. checking mileage on two tanks it looks like 1.5MPG difference in the city and 2MPG on the highway. I really think if I could get more output (only 1.2LPM @ 20amps) it would really help. I bought a MAP adjuster but haven't installed it yet because I can't find hard evidence that my 6.0 really needs it. If anyone knows for sure let me know. Another plus that I have noticed is less smoke with HHO running. Has anyone else noticed this?
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99FordGuy,
I have given up on the onboard systems. I have found that they don't work. You pull amperage (load) from the alternator to run them so your gain is negated. The small gain you do see is the awareness of your driving habits. I now use a tank of Hydrogen and pump it into my truck -- still no change.
I have given up on the onboard systems. I have found that they don't work. You pull amperage (load) from the alternator to run them so your gain is negated. The small gain you do see is the awareness of your driving habits. I now use a tank of Hydrogen and pump it into my truck -- still no change.
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99FordGuy,
Yea, that's what I'm trying to find out. I'm working with extremes to get to difference much faster. I'm pumping 40 liters per minute pure Hydrogen. That should be enough to see something! I've also now got a 25cc motor that I'll convert. I want to see how much of the horse power I can regain per RPM. Once you light this stuff, it gets your attention. I have began water vapor injection experiments.
You can see my progress at YouTube - paul84838's Channel
Although the gas prices have fallen, it was a wake up call. I believe it's just a matter of time before we're rid of the dependence.
Yea, that's what I'm trying to find out. I'm working with extremes to get to difference much faster. I'm pumping 40 liters per minute pure Hydrogen. That should be enough to see something! I've also now got a 25cc motor that I'll convert. I want to see how much of the horse power I can regain per RPM. Once you light this stuff, it gets your attention. I have began water vapor injection experiments.
You can see my progress at YouTube - paul84838's Channel
Although the gas prices have fallen, it was a wake up call. I believe it's just a matter of time before we're rid of the dependence.
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im still in the game,nov 1 was opening day for deer here in texas,drove down for the weekend got a doe. round trip pump-pump 711.4mi / 57.836 gal. 12.30 mpg . 60 miles of which was rough gravel road 15-20 mph& puddle jumping,hwy 75-85 mph,95 mph in a few 5-10 mi. streches,between small towns,working on new design to increse lpm
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99FordGuy,
Yea, that's what I'm trying to find out. I'm working with extremes to get to difference much faster. I'm pumping 40 liters per minute pure Hydrogen. That should be enough to see something! I've also now got a 25cc motor that I'll convert. I want to see how much of the horse power I can regain per RPM. Once you light this stuff, it gets your attention. I have began water vapor injection experiments.
You can see my progress at YouTube - paul84838's Channel
Although the gas prices have fallen, it was a wake up call. I believe it's just a matter of time before we're rid of the dependence.
Yea, that's what I'm trying to find out. I'm working with extremes to get to difference much faster. I'm pumping 40 liters per minute pure Hydrogen. That should be enough to see something! I've also now got a 25cc motor that I'll convert. I want to see how much of the horse power I can regain per RPM. Once you light this stuff, it gets your attention. I have began water vapor injection experiments.
You can see my progress at YouTube - paul84838's Channel
Although the gas prices have fallen, it was a wake up call. I believe it's just a matter of time before we're rid of the dependence.
I've pretty much removed myself from this process since I won't see any benefit given the fact I am running a PS6 but the "pure Hydrogen" statement got me thinking. Isn't this one of the benefits to HHO (Brown's gas, HHO2 or whatever you want to call it)? It includes the oxygen required for combustion. In a pure form, the Hydrogen is going to rob oxygen from the diesel combustion process so you will need some way to get more air into the combustion chamber.
Just a thought.
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Mountain Pass
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I was also thinking that maybe he should also inject Oxygen along with the Hydrogen and see what that does. I would start with a smaller amount like maybe 10LPM Hydrogen and 5LMP Oxygen. I'd sure like to see the results of that.
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Are you running this in your 6.0PSD? I thought it was already established that this won't work in the PS, no?
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The auto ignition temp of hydrogen is much higher than diesel, so it should only ignite after the diesel ignites. This might have a slight effect on timing since the flame spread may happen sooner, but the difference should be minimal. Yes these engines have oil squirters.
Yes, the auto ign. of hydro is higher than diesel, but keep in mind. That the diesel is direct injected, and ignites as soon as it enters the cylinders. The hydrogen is in the air being drawn into the engine. at 22+ compression ratio. that is a very unstable situation in my mind... then agian i may be wrong. It gets back to why diesels run off compression, and there is no fuel in the air being drawn into the motor. I may just have proved myself worthy of the dunce cone, but all the same, i am interested in what you guys have to say on this.