One of the major reasons I doubt these claims and do have a problem with 'HHO' kits is the name. HHO is a magnecule that the fringe scientist Santillo made up. It has been proven to be a false claim and HHO does not exist.

Therefore all these HHO kits are really hydrogen and/or oxygen additives to your air fuel mixture depending on your setup. Since everyone keeps talking about HHO, a fraudulent claim, it would make me doubt the whole thing. If everyone was speaking about hydrogen fuel enhancement it would be of much more interest to the scientific community I would think. When people start with a false claim and build on it, it is hard to take them seriously. I spoke to a recent physics graduate that has a company selling these products. He told me that he creates HHO using specially shaped electronic pulses to produce it very efficiently, and that is the only reason his system worked. He said electrolysis would not help efficiency. After hearing all that crap spew from his mouth, and reading more about HHO, it made me upset to see his and other companies scamming so many people that could better use the little money they have on gas.

At least people in this forum use normal electrolysis and do not claim 40% increase in fuel efficiency in gasoline engines like so many websites do. Everyone here also seems to know it's hydrogen and not some crazy new molecule. The idea of burning all the diesel sounds reasonable, but it's very innefficient making the hydrogen to use, so I would be surprised to see a gain in mpg.

I, like you, would love for this to work, but it all sounds too good to be true.
Of course I jumped at the chance to try daddycat's system, and hopefully it does work, but I do have my doubts. Thank you for being so generous, I greatly appreciate it.

 

You're right, HHO is not actually what we are creating. We are creating Brown's gas but we have been using HHO incorrectly. I guess at this point we use it interchangably but technically they are not the same.

Try not to use the weak terminology used by a bunch of back yard hacks against us. You should be around when we start referring to stuff as Dew-hicky and whatchammackallits.

 

to the questions:
I went to my local plastic supply house and purchased a 4' x 8' sheet of 1/4" acrylic and weld on glue #4. The glue is real watery and you apply it with a needle bottle applicator along the seam of the piece to be glued and DO NOT press it down, let its own weight and gravity hold it in place and use true square blocks to keep parts perpendicular. Your seams have to be perfect and smooth for this to come out correctly.

My baseline fuel MPG is 12.5MPG and while it is fun to watch the computer readout on my Scan Gauge II i always get my data from "actual pump to pump fill ups" and i use the same pump for round trip tests. When make an over the road test trip i will have to try to use diesel pumps that are very much the same and insert them into the tank the same distance, hopefully the fuel flow will be simillar and i will let it shut off on its own.

 

NO, HHO or Brown's gas, whatever you wanna call it, does not exist. Electrolysis of water makes H2 and O2. You are not inventing a new form of matter (Brown's gas) and Brown's gas is just a mythical gas he made up. Brown's products and patents for them used Hydrogen and Oxygen. This is exactly what I'm talking about!

If you did actually create Brown's gas you would be receiving a Nobel prize shortly, and it would rock the foundations of science.

 

Thanks, thats all I needed to know. I've already seen 21.5 MPG @ 70 MPH (200 mile round trip) by the same careful hand calculations with my truck without the generator installed. I would be giddy beyond belief if I could get another 20% on top of that



As for what to call this stuff, brown's gas, hho, oxygen hydrogen mix WHO CARES!!!! Whatever the hell it is, it probably contains hydrogen and oxygen because it is highly explosive, my Dad and I had some fun blowing up a few of them bubbles ourselves. Brown's gas or HHO gas is just easier to type than hydrogen oxygen gas mixture would you not agree, dougphysics?

Should we call it h2O gas instead? I don't really care, but why nit pick on it when we are already trying to get MPG results on the gas that we know is being produced.
Really, what would you have us call it? we have to call it something, don't we?

 

quick question so will magnegtic SS work or not?

also I have been keeping close watch on my fuel milage on my burb (test vehicle) when I get my hho ready I'll post my results I do my milage by the tank to fill up method ...right now avrage of 14 mpg...

yes a gasser then on to the f-250 quick qustion any body know the best way to fool the o2 sensors??? and map sensors and yes dave the ol diesel is sweet with no sensors...

 

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Originally Posted by dougphysics

The idea of burning all the diesel sounds reasonable, but it's very innefficient making the hydrogen to use, so I would be surprised to see a gain in mpg.

It's always interesting to see "scientific types" try to tell "mechanical types" how things work. They don't understand how many things are going on under the hood all at once. As someone stated before, we are not running completely on water, we are supplementing the diesel fuel with hydrogen. This allows complete burning of the diesel and hopefully we can get to the point where it displaces some of the diesel, giving us greatly increased fuel economy, something I think milehighhydroguy is close to or possibly even already there. <u1></u1><o></o><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <u2:WordDocument> <u2:View>Normal</u2:View> <u2:Zoom>0</u2:Zoom> <u2:PunctuationKerning/> <u2:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <u2:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</u2:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <u2:IgnoreMixedContent>false</u2:IgnoreMixedContent> <u2:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</u2:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <u2:Compatibility> <u2:BreakWrappedTables/> <u2:SnapToGridInCell/> <u2:WrapTextWithPunct/> <u2:UseAsianBreakRules/> <u2ontGrowAutofit/> </u2:Compatibility> <u2:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</u2:BrowserLevel> </u2:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <u2:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </u2:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--> <u1></u1><o></o>

The “scientific types” forget that the alternator is spinning all the time and it’s load is very small (it takes approx 1hp for every 25 amps it produces) and not all the amperage is used all the time. 2hp is approx 1% load or less for Powerstrokes. We use the unused amperage to run the electrolysis unit. Most Powerstrokes have 110 to 130 amp alternators (I say most since ambulance, dual alternator systems, etc are excluded from this figure) so we are making our engines more efficient by putting a tiny, 2hp higher constant load on the engine to gain 40% to 100% better fuel economy. This works best in diesel engines due to the timing of the combustion process, yet another thing the “scientific types” don’t understand. Once again I repeat what others have said, this is real, milehighhydroguy can produce, and is producing the data that many other have already produced.
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Dougphysics, if you have questions, you’re welcome to ask although you may be directed to another thread. Please stop bashing this and understand that the govt doesn’t like things it can’t tax, and it can’t/won’t tax water (we’d just use rainwater/dehumidifier water anyway). This thread is for people who want to learn about and DO SOMETHING about saving fuel, not just to sit around talking about it. We are willing to use our personal vehicles and work trucks as experimental vehicles to accomplish that goal. You are welcome to bash it as long as you’re putting your own $2500 engine up for testing also. I have no problem doing so since the effects of hydrogen inside an engine are all positive when hydrogen is used as a supplement to diesel, not a substitute for diesel. <u3></u3>
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I have learned a lot and I thank all those who have shared their findings. Keep up the good work guys. We are all looking forward to your ongoing “discoveries”.<u3></u3>

 

Dang, the pool supply in town doesn't have KOH. I don't have time to hunt around for the stuff right now so my generator will have to wait

 

dougphysics,

you are hooked up on symantics!
HHO, Browns gas, Hydroxy, Hydrogen (in monoatomic form) are all just words to describe the output of our electrolosys units! My units extract "a gas" from water that when i put a hose from my units in a glass of water (as a safety mechanism) and light the bubbles coming from that hose with a flame they go "bang bang bang" so if HHO, hydroxy, browns gas, hydrogen does not exist what the hell am i burning?
It is 2 molecules Hydrogen and one molecule Oxygen that is extracted from water during electrolsys and that is HHO period! It is what i am putting into my diesel engine which is causing my engine to burn all of the fuel dumped into it, greatly reducing the harmfull emissions and greatly improving my MPG'S!

Rollinns:The MAP adjuster i bought had to be rewired as he had the pots turning clockwise for lean, i wanted to go lean in a counter clockwise motion, you know lefty loosey righty tighty, clockwise for more volume and so on as we were taught so i would say an 7 out of 10 for that seller,
I am continually adjusting the boost for the conditions diving so you cant just set it and forget it!
My PWM testing is continuing and it is wired in AFTER the relay so the leads to the units are not interupted so i am driving the cells directly with only there resistance to contend with, remember that with a PWM you are turning your cell into a large capacitor and continually over charging it and then it releases the energy to the water thousands of times per second creating vast amounts of HHO (Dougphysics!) as WAS and still IS proven by the work of Stan Meyers, Dave Lawton, Ravi, and many others and I am tweaking and testing to find the best conditions for my cells. i am striving to get away from using electrolytes of any kind and just use water!

 

You got me again Dougphysics, we are making H2 & O2. Would it be better if we refer to it as H2O2? I guess technically it is 2(H2)+O2. Ok everyone, that shall be the new reference!

Brown never referred the the exact makup of his gas other than "a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen" so I think calling the output from our generators Brown's gas is not really wrong. If you have another definition you can find some where it's not from Brown.

As for the validity of this I personally get tired of fighting it but I did some calculations in another thread here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...ml#post6265167

It shows how we can easily prove if we are coming out ahead on the deal. Also keep in mind we are not getting or expecting "free" energy. We are unlocking the potential of the energy that we are already paying for. It's being blown out of our tail pipes as unburnt fuel right now.

Those people that are trying to run entirely on water? That's a whole other story that I find a little far fetched and the math doesn't add up to me but to each his own. I'm not going to tell them it's not possible, I'm just going to watch and wait.

 

First I have to start with I am done with Doug............ we all will continue with what we believe in.

Second I would like to thank Milehigh for all his help and hope you dont mind us asking you all the questions. I am getting my stuff now to build units like yours just bigger plates (4"X8") bigger is better right???lol I am going to try and coat the backs and edges of my plates with that rubber tool grip stuff you buy at hardware stores or that spray bed linner in a spray can.(anyone know if they will hurt anything) also milehigh have you tried to run 12v to every cell? I posted a link to ebay a while back that a guy was getting 4LPM from 2 very small cells at 50 amps. He got back to me today and says he has his plates run +-+-+- said he has never seen an improvment from running nutral plates. They say that you only need 1.5v to make gas(HHO) but dont your 3 cells make more then your 4 cells??? that would show more voltage more HHO right??? Hope to have mine together in a week or so. I have to order SS bolts. Only ones around here are magnetic SS and about .75 cents for (1) 1/4"X1" bolt.

P.S. sorry about my spelling guys. my week link. I know I mess up alot.

 

If you are using Internet Explorer....try this: ieSpell - Spell Checker add-on for Internet Explorer or if you are using Firefox their is a plug-in for spell checking. It helps me a lot! LOL

 

Water H2O.
Split water 2 hydrogen (HH) 1 oxygen (O)

HHO, 3 letters
Hydrogen fuel enhancement, 22 letters and two spaces

I guess it should really be 2H2O2 since 2 molecules of water would make 4 H and 2 O.

Sorry, but for typing simplicity it will still be HHO for me.
I think after 520 posts, everyone is comfortable with it.

dlmcbm,
The reason for using less than 12 volts across each pair of plates is to control temps.
Yes the gas production goes up, but so does the generator temp.
If it ran long enough at 12 volts on each plate pair, you would boil the water out of the unit.

 

Found another site for the HHO Generators

Hy•Drive Technologies Ltd.

 

From the Hy-Drive site quote''''Hydrogen gas has a greater flame speed than that of diesel fuel and improves flame propagation inside the cylinder. With hydrogen enhancement, engines run cooler, cleaner, and extract more useful energy.

Pretty much what we all have come to the conclusion of,right,,nuff said doug,,wayne