My wife's dead.

 

Not all of CO is at 10,000 feet though. Some low landers might be buying them. And those selling them would probably list them in Denver since there is pretty much nothing else around that city.

 

I think it is funny the arguments ya'll come up with. Fact is, 90% of the scenarios, PSD pulls better and drives better than the v10. V10's only benefit is more reliable (compared to the 6.0 and early 6.4 builds, about the same as the 7.3 newer 6.4s) and cheaper initial cost.

Why can't ya'll v10 guys live with that?

 

You just WISH I was a young teenage boy...Quit PMing me.

 

Denver...Seriously? All of them are probably from out of state, and the owners realized they were gutless down there in Denver. However, I just ran the same search and came up with...drumroll.....TWO!!. Something tells me thou embellished.... http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/search...=1279058425568

Edit...oh...300 (Three HUNDRED) miles? You do realize 300 miles can put you close to New Mexico, up in Wyoming, or out in Nebraska from Denver, right? It also puts you out on the Western Slope where the elevation is lower...I'm sure they have some V10's out there. I'm talking this area of Colorado, and there are a whopping TWO V10's for sale in Denver. I haven't seen one running around up here, let alone 17 of them in Summit County...lol BTW, you do know that doing a search in a 300 mile area, is actually a 600 mile radius, or 282,600 square miles right? A = 3.14 (pi) X R (300) X R (300) COLORADO is only 104,000 and some change square miles...That means you searched an area twice the size of Colorado...

 

lol at whoever thinks a 5.4 makes as much power or more than a 6.4. I just drove one and it couldn't get out of its own way if it had to. What a pig.

Double lol at anyone who has ever bought one in a 3/4 ton.

 

I don't lie. First, I have some standards to uphold being a moderator. So don't even go there. I did a search, 300 miles from Denver's zip code, of 1999 through 2011 (even though, knowing full well, the V10 is not even available in 2011 in the F250/350), of F250's using the advanced search of "engine type" being 10 cylinders. Then switched back to 8, and included the terms "psd or diesel or powerstroke" to catch the diesel and not the 5.4's.

If you don't get the same results, well, I'll let the readers of this thread decide who's embellishing.

Still not getting it. We CAN live with that. I don't think you will find many here arguing the above points over and over and over again.

It's the oil-burners here that can't seem to get it that the V10 is comparable in many ways, and there ARE benefits that they themselves don't care about.

To each his own

 

Reread my edited post...Didn't search for 282,600 square miles, but conceded you might have. Only found TWO V10's in all of Denver though. I never said you lied either...Lie and Embellish have two very distinct meanings unless maybe you use an online dictionary.

 

Of course...the V10 has reciprocating parts and 4 wheels on it.

 

Depends on what you are comparing it to and what you consider to be a "dog." Most people consider the 7.3 a beast when it comes to towing and it doesn't have as much power as a 2v 5.4, but the 5.4 is a dog for some reason.

Take a 7.3 with a 4 speed auto and a 4.10 gear and compare it to a 2v 5.4 with a 4 speed auto and 4.10 gear. Say we are pulling a 10,000 lb trailer up a hill and the 7.3 is in 3rd gear at 2,800 rpms and the 5.4 is in 2nd gear at 4,300 rpms. Both turning 682 wheel rpm and both are pretty close to peak hp. Tractive force for both is-
5.4= 255 hp x 5252/682=1,964
7.3= 245 hp x 5252/682=1,887

The 5.4 can accelerate another 1,500 rpms and the 7.3 only another 500 rpms. The 5.4 will top the hill at a faster speed because it can turn more wheel rpms in 2nd than the 7.3 can turn in 3rd. The 5.4 will have an easier time passing cars or accelerating because it is putting more power to the ground. It would look even worse for the 7.3 if I compared it to a 3v 5.4..... So tell me again why the 5.4 is considered a dog and the 7.3 is considered a beast? Just because it has to turn more rpms going up a hill?

Better lol at anyone that ever bought a 7.3 in a 3/4 ton too...... If you drove the 5.4 in Denver then it probably was lacking in power. At your elevation the 3v 5.4 has less hp than a 5.8 lightning at my elevation.

 

Seriously are you joking? This isn't a tractor pull who revs their motor to between 4k to 6k while towing? So your argument is if you drive the #$%@ out of the 5.4 you can make more torque in one instantaneous moment? I have been driving for 15 years and never once have I saw anyone out on the road towing and screaming their engine at 4 - 6k. Lets say your cruising down the highway at 65mph and you start climbing a grade how would they compare then? that would be a reasonable real world example

 

First, what's wrong with hitting 4k rpm? How is that driving the $#%* out of it? That isn't even peak hp for my 5.4, much less enough to hurt something. Secondly, I don't HAVE to run my 5.4 4,500 rpms to go up a hill if I don't HAVE to run my 7.3 3,000 rpm(yes, I have both, so it's an easy comparison for me). My point is simply that it CAN do it. Anything a stock 7.3 can pull, my 5.4 can pull it just as good a gear lower and 1,000 rpms higher. Your thoughts on running over 4k rpms when towing is exactly why so many diesel guys think the gasser is a dog. You're afraid to even get it into its powerband and try to drive it like a diesel(below 3k rpms at all times).

If I hit a hill at 65 mph my 5.4 will still walk all over my 7.3. It can't climb the hill in 5th gear at 2k rpm like the 7.3 will, but if I downshift to 4th it will climb the hill easier than the 7.3 in 5th. Downshift the 7.3 to 4th to keep up and I will just downshift my 5.4 to 3rd and run off and leave it again.

 

Are you saying you have actually used the 5.4 and towed on a trip cruising and reving the engine at 4k?

 

lol...

 

Are you saying run the whole trip at 4k rpm? When I am on flat land or small hills it runs just as good at 2,000-2,500 as my 7.3 does. I have no need to run it 4k rpm just driving around. There is a section of I-77 in WV that is about 8-10 miles long and an 8% grade. I don't "have" to turn 4,500 going up that hill, but I have done it before just to be doing it. It purred along the entire way with no problems at all and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Normally it climbs that hill at around 3,500 rpms and my 7.3 at 2,500 rpms.