I thought you were talking about my landscaping side work...I do the same thing in the spring though. I'm done arguing this F150 crap. Feel free to keep it going if you'd like. I will be back later, and will continue to post. Nobody here is capable of getting under my skin as this is just the Internets and as always it's filled with the e-thugs that try to keep the pot stirring.

 

No, my father in law does a lot of landscaping and stone work. Usually just smaller jobs and nothing that would require a larger truck or trailer, but he does keep the bed of that truck loaded pretty much all the time. He doesn't use it for anything but work. That is why it is 6 years old and only has 37,000 miles on it.

I do not have a problem with you continuing to post and I do not have a problem with you not liking my truck or thinking your truck is the only one capable of doing any real work. Disagreeing or even having a heated argument is perfectly fine as long as it doesn't lead to personal insults or inappropriate language.

 

Then quit SAYING your 5.4 is boss and show us. LOL

 

I never said my 5.4 was "boss" on here. I said my 5.4 is capable of putting more torque to the ground and getting a load moving easier/better than a more powerful engine with worse gearing.

Like I said in my previous post, there is nothing I can do to make you believe me. Even if you were here in person and saw it with your own eyes you would still come up with an excuse.

 

That sounds like a cop out. Seriously, post a video of what you state! I have not once called a person on here a liar or anything. And your test must be in the same location with the same trailer. None of this "my truck, 500 miles away with a different trailer on a different hill on a different day outpulled that v10. See, mine is boss."

Haha. And in a forum with a bunch of dudes talking how tough their trucks are, I am amazed by the whining like little girls...

 

I don't think my truck is the only one capable of doing any real work. There are lots of PSD's on the road...

 

"Real work". Gotta love it.

 

That's what HE said...I was just making sure he was properly quoted without the quotation marks...

 

EX-Go back and read all of my replies. I have stated many times that I would hook to any trailer anyone wanted me to as long as it was not too much trailer for my truck. You are right that our situations were different. That being said, I was on a much steeper and shorter hill, so my truck was actually disadvantaged there. Our elevations were the same. They had a little more weight, but all in all a pretty close comparison. I would be more than willing to meet up with any group of decent people that wanted to have a get together, but don't expect me to drive 400 miles for no other reason than to do it. The next time I am in Cincy or Dayton I would be more than happy to pull the same hill as them.

Chargers-I have pulled the max that both of my trucks could handle legally and neither had a problem maintaining speed or climbing hills. The only difference was that my 5.4 had to turn more rpms.

 

My problem is, in Montana and Spokane, my friends either get by on a half ton, and buy things that work with half tons, or they have a diesel. The only two people I knew with the v10s were my father in law, who likes is 2003 Hemi Dodge way better than his 2002 v10 and a buddy who did not even know what engine he has in his Excursion until I told him. He was disappointed though when he went to the Tahoe with a 4.8.

One friend had an ex cab Duramax, then went to a crew cab Chevy 6.0 gas. That lasted about 6 months before he went to a 1997 7.3. I have not been in it, so I do not know what tranny.

Not that they are not around here, I just don't know anyone in the area or else I would pull off. I am actually curious, as the v10 in my father in laws truck was not impressive. When we pulled campers together, I had the Chevy 6.0 and a lot heavier camper, and we both maintained 65 mph down the freeway, albeit at 6mpg for me and 7 for him.

 

The thing to remember about the 02 is it has the 4 speed auto and 52 less HP than one of the same year as your 6.0. Plus it also came standerd with 3.73 open diff rather than the 4.10LS that become standard in 05 with the V10.

The elevation does not help either. At your height a 3V V10 will not keep up with you.

 

Wow... what a soap opera we have here.

We got into the F150's and dug down to the Rangers...

After having an F150 with the high payload capacity (that's the 2000lb+ payload and tows 11,000lb+ package with 7-lug wheels - i.e. different suspension than the normal F150) and an F250, I can say even the beefed up F150 is nothing compared to the super duty.

Don't get me wrong, that F150 could do some work, but putting a ton of gravel in that thing really stressed it out where as F250 played it as a walk in the park. I towed a 9,000lb trailer with both of them, and again, the F150 struggled with it. I'm not talking about power wise, there is obviously a difference between a 6.8L V10 with a 5 speed auto and 4.30 versus a 5.4L 4 speed with 4.10 gears, I'm talking about the way truck handled the weight and the shifting weight of the horses. In the F150 the horses could literally move the trucks rear end around; in the F250, I could feel them move, but the truck was stable.

And before anyone looks back and calls BS on me, this was not the trailer I just sold that weighed in around 12,000lbs, it was my aunts trailer that weighs in around 4500 empty, around 9,000lbs with 3 horses in it. This was the only trailer I towed with both trucks, so it's all I have to compare.

 

I drove a 2V V10 with the 4r100 and 3.73, and compared to the one I had it was a dog, not that mine was all mighty, but there definitely was a difference. The 2V V10 felt like a V8 to me, but maybe it was just old. The truck had 186k miles on it.

As for Josh, I see your point EX. Josh has a 16% grade coming out of his driveway, or some stupidly insane grade like that. So he has to go from a stop up that grade. So most of his concern is simply getting up the hills at 0-10 mph. Honestly I could careless about that, I've never had a problem with that, but I don't live where he does. So I don't need those insanely low gears he need to get up that hill from a stop.

I can see his point that Ford manual tranny will beat an auto tranny simply because of the low gear it has. But honestly, once you move past that tiny starting point, all the advantage is going to go to the better engine. I'm not interested in 0-10mph times, I'm interested more in moving up a mountain on a highway at decent speeds and not having to slow down that much.

Different people have different needs for their trucks. That means different people have different definitions of what makes a good truck.

 

It's actually a 23% grade. Quite the contrary on what I am interested in though. My truck will do about 25 mph in 1st gear and what it helps with the most is letting me hit 2nd at a high enough rpm that I can gain speed and not have to climb the hill at 10 mph.

 

Perhaps my statement wasn't completely clear, you're concerned with taking off from a stop up a completely insane incline. While I also take off at an incline, the most I've ever had to face is about a 10%. So for me it, the take off advantage of a manual isn't there. Sure it will be easier to get it rolling, but an auto can do it without an issue. I do want a manual for other reasons though, but probably won't get one because the wife can't drive a manual.