not at all. ford made the changes and navstar told them that it wasnt a good idea.

i would have to agree with some of the v10 guys on the 6.0 and 6.4. i would by a v10 if i was getting a newer truck. or buy a 6.0 with a blown motor and destroke it to a 5.9

 

I've seen lots of that around here as well. Whether real or imagined, it's tough to sell a 6.0 Super Duty around here.

 

And its tuff to find the 7.3's now. Never heard of a 8 year old truck still selling for $20k beside the 7.3.

 

If Ford made the changes and Navistar said it was a bad idea, then Navistar would not have offered a warranty on them. Ford sued Navistar because Navistar wasn't paying warranty claims. Ford wouldn't sue them if Navistar had not offered any warranty on them at all. Plus, didn't 6.0s have the same International 100,000 mile warranty?

And once again, even the low HP VT365's had the exact same issues as Ford's version. Go check out a school bus forum, you'll see people complaining of the exact same issues - VGT failure on turbos, EGR and EGR cooler failures, injector failures, headgaskets, etc..

That truck must have been lined with gold. 7.3s - even fully loaded Lariat 4x4s don't go anywhere near that much over here. There is at least 30+ 7.3s for sale on craigslist right now in little ol' Rhode Island. Actually most of the Ford diesels for sale in RI on CL are Super Duty 7.3s, few OBS and few 6.0s mixed in here and there, but most of them are 7.3s...

 

Allow me to correct your recollection of our statements.


"Seeing some shop time" and "in the shop all the time" are completely different. I'd also argue that the 6.0's that fall into the "major problem" category is much less than 1% If you said a tenth of one percent, I'd believe you were in the ballpark.


Is it just me or did I specifically say that I did not get a "good" 6.0?

I won't argue that there were bad 6.0's and exceeded the number of 7.3's by an extremely wide margin and I don't blame anyone for not wanting to buy one. The reason I posted what I did was because I was curious to see if someone responded that has actually owned a 6.0. My suspicions were correct.

My parting question is this: If the 6.0 is such a horrible engine, why is it that the last year of the 6.0 enjoyed lower warranty claim rates than any year of the 7.3?

 

Yours may have only seen the shop one time for engine issues, but I know several people that do work for us that claim to have a good 6.0 and they are in the shop all the time. Headgaskets, turbos, egr's, etc.

My bad on that one. I was watching tv while I was chatting and I just saw "good" and didn't see the "standard" part. Either way, if standard means it is going to see shop time for engine problems, then it doesn't need to be parked in my driveway.

If you want replies from people who actually own a 6.0 just go to the 6.0 forum. Or post a thread in the SD forum asking specifically for people with 6.0 problems. Ask LS about his 6.0 problems.

That warranty number can be skewed by quite a bit depending on how you look at it. What I have heard is that in 2006 the 2006 6.0 had the lowest number of warranty claims of any 2006 engine. How many of those 6.0's started having problems after 2006? How many were people that only drove 5k miles that year and didn't drive enough miles to have problems? How many were fleet vehicles that exceeded 100k miles within 6 months and the warranty was expired before 2006 was even over?

 

In my market, there are more. 7.3s for sale than 6.0s. I have found that there are more die hard fanboys of Ford than the other two brands and know they can buy a 6.0 cheap and fix it up to be stout and reliable. Mine, the previous owner neglected the cooling system so I had to have the radiator cleaned, oil cooler and egr cooler replaced (warranty ) and just now the fan clutch, which is a result of the first two issues. Other than that, zero problems! I am programmed on stock gaskets.

Go to the "reliable " duramax forums and you will see less head gasket issues, but more tranny issues, which is more expensive to fix. People in the know can fix the 6.0 easy and have a solid truck.

And the 6.0 can be had right now for not much premium on the v10 making the cost issue diminished.

 

That's the problem for me though. I shouldn't have to buy a $20-30k truck and then take it home and spend $4-5k on it just to make it reliable.

6.0's are a mixed bag around here when it comes to price. I have seen one for $20k at one lot but drive half a mile down the road and see the exact same one for $30k. I looked at two really nicely equipped v10's about a month ago(lariat, ext cab, leather, less than 100k miles) and they were both under $15k. I could have bought both of them for what one 6.0 would cost me and neither one of them would need to be fixed before I would trust them.

 

It's all relative, in that what year of v10? If it is before 2003, you don't get a good tranny and the interior is not as refined, so of course it will be cheaper. Put a 2006 6.0 with 90k against a 2006 v10 with 90k, they will not be the 15k difference you lead to above.

And it is not 5k to make it reliable. I did it for this:
$150 - Coolant Filter
$225 - Diamond Eye 4 inch exhaust
$200 - Replace uppipe
$400 - Programmer and custom tune

And about 12 beer filled hours in a garage and bam, a reliable 6.0. Like I said, if the previous owner had maintained his cooling system, like say, flushing it more than once in 4 years, the EGR and Oil coolers would not have plugged and the fan clutch would not have gone out from overuse. Even with all that, the stock head gaskets are perfect.

And my truck runs like a raped ape, would smoke any v10, modded or no (though not sure about turboed, but I only read about one person who might do it, right Bill? LOL ). My brother has a new 2009 Duramax, mine gets a hair better mileage and is faster than his, stock. He paid $46,000, I paid $24,000 plus $1,000 for mods, plus $1,000 for warranty work and stupid dealers.

So take that! Point is, the 6.0 can be had cheap and is a great platform, and will still outpull a V10.

 

I bought my F450 with 7.3 for 8 grands when it was about 6 years old.
It had close to 200k at the time.

 

Both the 6.0's and the v10's I looked at were 04-05 models. One of the v10's was a 2v and one was a 3v.

You forgot head studs, egr delete kit and a spare turbo.

That depends on what the set up of the trucks are. Some cases, yes, others, no. When we made our pulling videos a while back a 6.0 (auto and 3.73 gears) couldn't outpull my 2v 5.4 (manual and 4.10 gears) from 0-35 mph with ~11k lbs. He had about 1,500 lbs more total weight than I did, but I was on a 23% grade(220 ft rise over 950 ft run) and he was on a 15%(their calculations, so not sure) so the test wasn't exact. He beat me to certain mph's but I beat him to others. Just depended on who had just shifted. Point being, if I can get a properly geared 2v 5.4 to run with a 6.0, then a properly geared 3v v10 wouldn't have any trouble with it at all.

Edit-Went back and checked our times. Our 0-25 mph times were 9 seconds for both Tom's 6.4 and Mike's 6.0 and 21 seconds for my 5.4. Our 0-35 mph times were 25 seconds for Tom's 6.4, 32 seconds for my 5.4 and 36 seconds for Mike's 6.0. The reason mine was so far behind to 25 mph is because the gear spacing between 1st and 2nd is a mile wide in the zf5. When I shift at 5k rpm in 1st it drops to 2k rpm in 2nd, so it took it quite a while to get the rpm's back up in the power band once I shifted. Once it got the rpms up, it made up the ground in a hurry.

 

You are saying it took longer for the 6.0 to go from 25 to 35 than it took you to go from 0-35 in a 5.4? I smell something and it ain't roses.

 

Go watch the videos. When he shifted at around 30 mph it took forever for Tom to call out 35. It went from 0-30 in no time and then it was 31... 32... 33... 34, almost to 35, ok now it's at 35. Could be where he was already in 2nd and around 2,000 rpms while mine was still in the equivalent of his 1st. All I can go by is Tom and Mike calling out the numbers since I can't see the speedometer(passenger filmed theirs). I filmed mine while I was driving, so the speedo is in plain view.

 

If that is the test I recall, didn't the 6.0 have a minor issue that was causing the slowness? Either way, why do we have these tests on ridiculous non-real world 0-35 pulls at 23% or whatever? Why don't we put on a test starting a 8 mile pull at 6% with both trucks starting the hill at 60 mph and see who gets to the top the fastest. No adding weight to the v10 (as I have seen in the past). Same people in the cab, same trailer and setup. I am in the Spokane area and there is a great pull for that, with a turnaround at the top and a place to swap out trailers at the bottom. I am game if any v10 guys are. I am finally not working 60 hours a week and am able to throw that out, as I have wanted to in the past.

 

And when you're done chewing them up, send them out to Colorado for a run up Vail Pass. We can use all 3 lanes instead of having to time it and hope they tell the truth. The winner will be quite obvious. Actually, we'll just use 2 lanes, and I'll watch the V10 in my rear view mirror unless I get too far ahead of it.