Gas vs PSD
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My answer is smart, because he only bought what he needed to buy, but whatever.
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What kind of tranny does your friends truck have? Mine is a 97 model, which is slightly different than the 95, but mostly the same.
Actually I used the numbers from the 6.2. Johnny brought up the 6.0. Have you ever driven or towed with a 5.4 that has a manual and 4.10? Between me and a few of my cousins we have or have had an obs 7.3 with a manual and an auto, 2 SD 7.3's with manuals, 460 manual and auto, 6.0 auto, v10 auto and a 5.4 manual and auto. I have a pretty good idea how they all get a load moving.
Actually I used the numbers from the 6.2. Johnny brought up the 6.0. Have you ever driven or towed with a 5.4 that has a manual and 4.10? Between me and a few of my cousins we have or have had an obs 7.3 with a manual and an auto, 2 SD 7.3's with manuals, 460 manual and auto, 6.0 auto, v10 auto and a 5.4 manual and auto. I have a pretty good idea how they all get a load moving.
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Man, y'all r putting words in my mouth. LOL
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I never said I could out pull a 6.0. What Johnny said, and what I agree with, is that with the right tranny and gearing a 5.4 can put more torque to the ground in 1st gear than a 6.0 with worse gearing. No one is saying my 5.4 has an advantage in anything other than 1st gear.
The 6.0 that my cousin had is long gone, the v10 got traded in a few years ago(for a 5.4), the 7.3 automatic was traded in on the v10, the 460 manual got sold 3 years ago and the 460 auto is up for sale right now. They go through trucks about every year or so. There have been a few others in there, but none that would warrant a comparison(two 5.8's, three 5.0's, a 4.9, etc)
You never answered my question about your friends 7.3 or if you had ever towed with a 5.4 manual..... I would have no problem getting together with someone with a 6.0 automatic either. I will give them a good run in 1st gear and then after that it would be all over. I have relatives in Ohio and told the guys up there that I would love to get together with them the next time I am up there to visit. 400 miles one way is just a bit too far for me to drive to do a 1 minute pull up a hill.
The 6.0 that my cousin had is long gone, the v10 got traded in a few years ago(for a 5.4), the 7.3 automatic was traded in on the v10, the 460 manual got sold 3 years ago and the 460 auto is up for sale right now. They go through trucks about every year or so. There have been a few others in there, but none that would warrant a comparison(two 5.8's, three 5.0's, a 4.9, etc)
You never answered my question about your friends 7.3 or if you had ever towed with a 5.4 manual..... I would have no problem getting together with someone with a 6.0 automatic either. I will give them a good run in 1st gear and then after that it would be all over. I have relatives in Ohio and told the guys up there that I would love to get together with them the next time I am up there to visit. 400 miles one way is just a bit too far for me to drive to do a 1 minute pull up a hill.
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I never said I could out pull a 6.0. What Johnny said, and what I agree with, is that with the right tranny and gearing a 5.4 can put more torque to the ground in 1st gear than a 6.0 with worse gearing. No one is saying my 5.4 has an advantage in anything other than 1st gear.
The 6.0 that my cousin had is long gone, the v10 got traded in a few years ago(for a 5.4), the 7.3 automatic was traded in on the v10, the 460 manual got sold 3 years ago and the 460 auto is up for sale right now. They go through trucks about every year or so. There have been a few others in there, but none that would warrant a comparison(two 5.8's, three 5.0's, a 4.9, etc)
You never answered my question about your friends 7.3 or if you had ever towed with a 5.4 manual..... I would have no problem getting together with someone with a 6.0 automatic either. I will give them a good run in 1st gear and then after that it would be all over. I have relatives in Ohio and told the guys up there that I would love to get together with them the next time I am up there to visit. 400 miles one way is just a bit too far for me to drive to do a 1 minute pull up a hill.
The 6.0 that my cousin had is long gone, the v10 got traded in a few years ago(for a 5.4), the 7.3 automatic was traded in on the v10, the 460 manual got sold 3 years ago and the 460 auto is up for sale right now. They go through trucks about every year or so. There have been a few others in there, but none that would warrant a comparison(two 5.8's, three 5.0's, a 4.9, etc)
You never answered my question about your friends 7.3 or if you had ever towed with a 5.4 manual..... I would have no problem getting together with someone with a 6.0 automatic either. I will give them a good run in 1st gear and then after that it would be all over. I have relatives in Ohio and told the guys up there that I would love to get together with them the next time I am up there to visit. 400 miles one way is just a bit too far for me to drive to do a 1 minute pull up a hill.
Either way, if there were a pull off 400 miles from here, I would be there.
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If you are ever in this area I would be more than happy to hook up to your trailer and take you for a ride. As long as it is within the legal capacity of my truck I don't mind hooking up to anyone elses trailer either.
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Most people who bash the 5.4 have never driven one either. Or they had one with an automatic and 3.55 gear I an f-150 or they were afraid to run it over 3,000 rpm, etc. I'm not saying it's the best thing out there by any means, but it's a lot better than most want to give it credit for.
If you are ever in this area I would be more than happy to hook up to your trailer and take you for a ride. As long as it is within the legal capacity of my truck I don't mind hooking up to anyone elses trailer either.
If you are ever in this area I would be more than happy to hook up to your trailer and take you for a ride. As long as it is within the legal capacity of my truck I don't mind hooking up to anyone elses trailer either.
That being said, I have agreed there is a purpose for the 5.4 and have agreed it will pull close to what a PSD or V10 will. It will NOT outpull a PSD, it will not pull ahead in first gear no matter the load, and it will not come close to the 6.2 gas engine.
Facts are facts.
But you can throw out for us to meet, but we are like 2,000 miles apart. I want to see you try to pull ahead in first gear against a 6.2 or 6.0. It won't happen. It also won't pull ahead of a NBS 7.3 on a 15% hill as you have said in the past.
So, take that! haha
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I know this is an old topic and I am not trying to start an argument, so don't take this the wrong way. I finally got to do some work with an f-150 from the same body style as yours and I remembered us talking about this. I bought two pallets of stone a while back that weighed 1,500 lbs each(shipping weight verified on each pallet). I used about 90% of one and decided to give the rest to my father in law. I loaded these in his truck today. This is one full pallet and the rest of the 2nd. Then another 210 lbs standing on the tailgate and it isn't even sagging an inch, much less sitting on the bump stops. Could you have maybe had a little more rock than you thought if yours was dragging that bad?
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