Gas vs PSD
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Duh now that you say that I remember seeing signs for kingsport. I just as soon get on a redlight and let em eat. Surely in that neck of the woods you have a gew miles and couple redlights so we'll have to keep lineing up. That should line adverage out your human error. I really want to. see that 5.4 out tq me. Themy setup was designed to get the weight moving.that's what your claiming you can do better. That's what I'm talking about branging tq to the table.
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I'm not sure what all this is about. My conviction is that with a heavy load the v10 won't out pull me. With loads 10k and under maybe???. I think that kind of load is really putting a strain on the v10. It gets to take advantage of its top end hp and speed. Bow its back and make it start sucking wind from its belly and its a whole new ball game.
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Nah nah nah, I call shenanigans. 
It either out pulls, or it does not. Out pulling in one gear only is not a comparison. That granny gear will get a whole boat load moving, but that long throw from granny to 1st is a real beyotch and no way on gods earth are you going to outshift his auto.
You want the rolling start because you know his auto is step on the gas and go and a manual shift is not. It doesn't eliminate the "driver aspect", it eliminates the disadvantage of a manual vs an auto. Compare the trucks, or not, but don't try to stack the deck to give you a better chance.
It either out pulls, or it does not. Out pulling in one gear only is not a comparison. That granny gear will get a whole boat load moving, but that long throw from granny to 1st is a real beyotch and no way on gods earth are you going to outshift his auto.You want the rolling start because you know his auto is step on the gas and go and a manual shift is not. It doesn't eliminate the "driver aspect", it eliminates the disadvantage of a manual vs an auto. Compare the trucks, or not, but don't try to stack the deck to give you a better chance.
Duh now that you say that I remember seeing signs for kingsport. I just as soon get on a redlight and let em eat. Surely in that neck of the woods you have a gew miles and couple redlights so we'll have to keep lineing up. That should line adverage out your human error. I really want to. see that 5.4 out tq me. Themy setup was designed to get the weight moving.that's what your claiming you can do better. That's what I'm talking about branging tq to the table.
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what does anyones needs have to do with a thread titled "v10 vs PSD", if the thread was titled "my 240 6cyl does everything I need..."then saying that my engine or your engine is way better than the 240 in that thread would be making an *** of ones self, but in a thread titled "v10 vs PSD" its open season to pick on anything.
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[QUOTE=phillips91;9485977 The only variables need to be engine power and gearing. I was thinking we could do a variety of pulls. Steep hills in lower gears, to 60 on flat land, cruising at 55-60 mph, etc.[/QUOTE]
I'll do whatever ya want. Up hill in nice country with a load is a nice day for me. I'm usually in a grain/hay field wading through cow crap. What I contest is that 5.4L getting a load moveing fasteer than a 6.0L. Rolling changes everthing. We can do it all kinds of ways. I'm gonna be heavy. I'm gonna pick up 2 JD in chatt. I won't be as heavy as hauling feed or hay but still I never said I would eat a v10. Frankly I don't think they'll taste to good. I'm saying in the towing world they don't have no advantage over me. Will Bill v10 I think I could take.lol
I'll do whatever ya want. Up hill in nice country with a load is a nice day for me. I'm usually in a grain/hay field wading through cow crap. What I contest is that 5.4L getting a load moveing fasteer than a 6.0L. Rolling changes everthing. We can do it all kinds of ways. I'm gonna be heavy. I'm gonna pick up 2 JD in chatt. I won't be as heavy as hauling feed or hay but still I never said I would eat a v10. Frankly I don't think they'll taste to good. I'm saying in the towing world they don't have no advantage over me. Will Bill v10 I think I could take.lol
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I'll do whatever ya want. Up hill in nice country with a load is a nice day for me. I'm usually in a grain/hay field wading through cow crap. What I contest is that 5.4L getting a load moveing fasteer than a 6.0L. Rolling changes everthing. We can do it all kinds of ways. I'm gonna be heavy. I'm gonna pick up 2 JD in chatt. I won't be as heavy as hauling feed or hay but still I never said I would eat a v10. Frankly I don't think they'll taste to good. I'm saying in the towing world they don't have no advantage over me. Will Bill v10 I think I could take.lol
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I'm not talking about a rolling start where mine is turning 2500 rpm or anything. It would be about 1,000 rpm so that it was just off idle. That is actually less than what a tq converter would let me start out at from a dead stop. Even if you beat mine at every test it would still be nice to get together and post some real numbers on here. I have a gooseneck and conventional hitch as well as 6 and 7 pin brake hook ups, so I am fine with whatever trailer you bring. I only have a 250 with an 8800 lb gvwr, so the trailer does need to be within the safe/legal limits of that set up. Starting November 15th I will be out of town Mon-Fri for 4 weeks for training, so if after that weekends would be best.
Yea it'll be after the 1st of the year. No way I can get away now. Barges to load and still some other commentments to fullfil. How much over 8800 you willing to go? I think my GN puts me slightly over 9k, but I have a tool box and a 4x4 cc etc. Are you talking 12k gcvw? I mean if that's it then that's it, but hardly the situation I'm talking about. But whatever we can unload 1 ofd the tractors. I can only guess what you'll weigh.
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Anyone who thinks you can change torque but not effect horsepower doesn't know what either on is. I'm just saying.
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No doubt it'll be great to do some work no matter the out come. Your to have to tell me what is safe/legal limits. I don't think I know what those are. I'll be pulling my 30' gooseneck. It weighs half of what my 38' does. All I got is a 250.
Yea it'll be after the 1st of the year. No way I can get away now. Barges to load and still some other commentments to fullfil. How much over 8800 you willing to go? I think my GN puts me slightly over 9k, but I have a tool box and a 4x4 cc etc. Are you talking 12k gcvw? I mean if that's it then that's it, but hardly the situation I'm talking about. But whatever we can unload 1 ofd the tractors. I can only guess what you'll weigh.
Yea it'll be after the 1st of the year. No way I can get away now. Barges to load and still some other commentments to fullfil. How much over 8800 you willing to go? I think my GN puts me slightly over 9k, but I have a tool box and a 4x4 cc etc. Are you talking 12k gcvw? I mean if that's it then that's it, but hardly the situation I'm talking about. But whatever we can unload 1 ofd the tractors. I can only guess what you'll weigh.
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No doubt it'll be great to do some work no matter the out come. Your to have to tell me what is safe/legal limits. I don't think I know what those are. I'll be pulling my 30' gooseneck. It weighs half of what my 38' does. All I got is a 250.
Yea it'll be after the 1st of the year. No way I can get away now. Barges to load and still some other commentments to fullfil. How much over 8800 you willing to go? I think my GN puts me slightly over 9k, but I have a tool box and a 4x4 cc etc. Are you talking 12k gcvw? I mean if that's it then that's it, but hardly the situation I'm talking about. But whatever we can unload 1 ofd the tractors. I can only guess what you'll weigh.
Yea it'll be after the 1st of the year. No way I can get away now. Barges to load and still some other commentments to fullfil. How much over 8800 you willing to go? I think my GN puts me slightly over 9k, but I have a tool box and a 4x4 cc etc. Are you talking 12k gcvw? I mean if that's it then that's it, but hardly the situation I'm talking about. But whatever we can unload 1 ofd the tractors. I can only guess what you'll weigh.
We aren't talking about changing the engine tq without changing the hp. We are talking about tractive force, which is tq to the wheels. Gearing can change tractive force but does not affect hp.
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350hp....at 8mph....Efficiency at its finest...
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It applies to other gears besides 1st too. Like the v10 being able to climb a hill a gear or two lower. Even with a 4.10 and the really low 1st gear my 5.4 will still do between 20-25 mph in 1st gear. With my 7.3 it's only about 10-12 mph.
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Gvwr or gcwr?