Bill lives to far away from me.

LOL

 

The reason I drive only diesels is I find it dumb that i have to lock my gas engines in 4wd low to move my trailer up 30 ft to fill up the next machine. Now will they move it? Yes. Is it efficient? No. Going down the interstate the v 10 can keep up, but in the field the truck will never get enough rpms to hit its sweet spot. Alot of times my truck never gets above 1800 rpms in 1st gear in the field, so its right at its top torque range. Yes the gas engines are nice when it comes to maintance, 5 or 6 quarts as opposed to 13 quarts but my diesel makes up the difference in fuel savings. My old v 10 i had got 11.5 mpg average thats towing and driving. My 6.0 gets 15.5 towing and driving. I put on average 180000 miles on them in 3 yrs.
V 10 180000/11.5mpg=15652.17 gallons of fuel X 2.50price of gas= 39130.42 dollars spent on fuel
6.0 180000/15.5mpg=11612.90 gallons of fuel X 2.80 price of diesel=32516.12 dollars spent on fuel.
So difference is 39130.42-32516.12= a savings of 6614.30. The diesel option cost me a difference of 5800 after my discounts and cash rebates.
So 6614.30-5800= 814.30 dollars to spend on maintance. Thats enough for 6 oil, filter, and fuel filters. I get everything at discounts because i buy bulk.
It will not work like that for everbody but it does for me.

 

Still missing very important number.
Difference in resale price.
I will not even mention that historically diesel is cheaper than regural

 

Hey Bill 601. Pages later a little over a yrs later and ford isn't offering the v10 in 250s or 350 so what Do you do? Move up to the 450 or move down to the 6.2? I'm kinda curious how this turns out.

 

I buy used, my next truck will be a 3V V10/torqueshift. At the point that gets replaced, I don't know. The way things seem to be going for the 6.7 I might go for it.
Just the fact that its a Ford made engine rather than something Navistar made is worth a lot, IMO.
The 6.2 is not really a step down, its got more HP than a V10 and a better tranny.

Worst case is I have to get an F450 to get the V10.

 

They also don't produce the 7.3, 6.0 and 6.4 anymore, and the 6.7 is wayyyyy to expensive for what it is.... Take a hell of alot of time to recoup those funds spent of that damn 6.7.....

 

I know what they're for. My question is what is the point of the argument? It seems one side is chanting "HP HP HP!" while the other side is shouting "TQ TQ TQ!".

MY point is that one is pretty much useless without the other in any real world vehicle application. Tractors excepted.

 

Bill, why would you consider a v10 in a 450 over a 6.2 in a 350? Like you said, the 6.2 has more horsepower so then no matter what, it will pull harder than the v10, right?

(Yes that is my sarcasm font)

 

No we are not screaming tq tq tq. We are saying the 15 hp disadvantage does not make up for the

 

Yea, I was being sarcastic when I said that.

The 6.2 has more power and will pull harder than the V10.
With the diffrence in gearing from the TorqueShift to the new 6 speeds first gear, torque to the ground is close to the same from a stop. When your moving and the 6.2 revs out, it revs higher holding gears longer making more power and putting more torque to the ground.

The 6.2 will outpull the V10 and any stock PSD made before 2011.

 

Sorry on my cell phone and can't edit. Anyways the 15 hp advantage does not make up for the 200 tq disadvantage. Yes they go hand in hand, that is the point.

 

You can make up for that torque disadvantage by down shifting to another gear, or running lower rear end gears.

 

Bill I wasn't being sarcastic. You might have known 601 pgs ago that the v10 would have been dropped. I didn't. I really wanted to know where you go from here. I understand what you mean about buying used. I've only bought myself 1 new truck the rest has been used. My 05 150 was my only brand new truck. The 6.2s we've driven lately is sweet. My wife is gonna get her one before its over with. Anyway I just wondered if a 450 was in your futur.

 

There is no way the 6.2 will outpull a stock 6.4....

 

Then again, so can the diesel. TQ advantage re-acquired.

There's the rub in this insanely stupid argument. People aren't comparing engines, they're comparing drive train packages, and want to verbally manipulate what's in the package to give them the advantage in the argument.