Gas vs PSD
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Yes, becuase that was the only logical option. You said you had "no choice". I was merely pointing out that you DID.
It can and will run for days on end at WOT. And no, I'm not going to prove it.
They can do it for 8,000 hours, so I'm pretty sure mine could do it for 12. No it can't. If it could, you'd prove it, and since you can't prove it, it can't do it. It's the same thing as "No pics, it didn't happen".
It can and will run for days on end at WOT. And no, I'm not going to prove it.
They can do it for 8,000 hours, so I'm pretty sure mine could do it for 12. No it can't. If it could, you'd prove it, and since you can't prove it, it can't do it. It's the same thing as "No pics, it didn't happen".
Take care of your V10. I'll take care of my PSD.
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I can see you feeling that way. I think a lot has came out over the last 100 pages. I think its been a good stride. I've learned a few things.
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
lol...so have I.
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This I'm going to have to see. What's the multiplier on the torque converter on the 4r100? 2.5x sound right? The hps are running close to the same the 7.3 might be higher. I'm thinking you have a 2000 7.3, which I believe has 275hp 45lbtq. Up tell 03 the 5.4l was looking at 260 hp and 350 lbs tq.
With no mutipling from the engine you have no advantage in 1st then get dogged out in gear after. I might have totally missed something here. I know you school me and I expect nothing less. I want to learn as much as I can.
With no mutipling from the engine you have no advantage in 1st then get dogged out in gear after. I might have totally missed something here. I know you school me and I expect nothing less. I want to learn as much as I can.
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Like Bill said, my 7.3 is a 97 model that is 225 hp and 425 tq. My 5.4 is 260 hp and 350 tq. My point in comparing them is to show that an engine with 75 less tq but more hp and the ability to hold a gear twice as long can use that gearing advantage to pull a load better/easier/faster/etc. If we are still able to get together I would be more than willing to go up against a stock SD 7.3 with an auto if one wants to come along.
Anyways, Bill, I am glad to see you are backing off a little. Now you say it "probably" will rather than "it definitely" will. Haha
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if you weren't so far away I would take you up on that. I would even pull the chip or set it to stock your choice.
BUT it's still not totally stock, I do have a 5" exhaust and a slightly modified fuel system (regulated return instead of the factory dead head style) I owned an expy with a 5.4 and the same gears and it pulled my trailer and race truck darn good, on flat ground and around town I would say VERY comparable to my 7.3 but on a hill it wouldn't even touch the PSD.
White breast hill locally, the SD with the same trailer would pull the hill on cruise and never drop more then 1mph, the 5.4 would drop over 5 adn down shift. yes it was an automatic, and I know your claiming the stick makes all the difference, but since I have only seen 1 5.4 with a manual trans behind it, those are the exception and not the rule. Also that person sold it after 6 months and went back to a V10 cause it was a dog, couldn't pull his stock trailer with it.
BUT it's still not totally stock, I do have a 5" exhaust and a slightly modified fuel system (regulated return instead of the factory dead head style) I owned an expy with a 5.4 and the same gears and it pulled my trailer and race truck darn good, on flat ground and around town I would say VERY comparable to my 7.3 but on a hill it wouldn't even touch the PSD.
White breast hill locally, the SD with the same trailer would pull the hill on cruise and never drop more then 1mph, the 5.4 would drop over 5 adn down shift. yes it was an automatic, and I know your claiming the stick makes all the difference, but since I have only seen 1 5.4 with a manual trans behind it, those are the exception and not the rule. Also that person sold it after 6 months and went back to a V10 cause it was a dog, couldn't pull his stock trailer with it.
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Like Bill said, my 7.3 is a 97 model that is 225 hp and 425 tq. My 5.4 is 260 hp and 350 tq. My point in comparing them is to show that an engine with 75 less tq but more hp and the ability to hold a gear twice as long can use that gearing advantage to pull a load better/easier/faster/etc. If we are still able to get together I would be more than willing to go up against a stock SD 7.3 with an auto if one wants to come along.
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That's not what I intend. Not at all. What I'm trying to do is get you to PARTICIPATE in the discussion instead of feeding it with misdirection.
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I have no problem with you NOT going out and blowing up your other truck. Really. I have no problem with the V10 either. (remember that Krewat) I have a problem with people making false claims about the V10, and acting like its the premier engine from Ford. PSD's outsell the V10 what, 8:1? I'm sure if the V10 was the better choice for the haulers, we'd all be driving V10's. Hell, a PSD is a better choice even for long distance driving without a load.
14% - .14 - that's just a about 1 in 7. But then you have to factor in the 5.4, and at the time, that was more than 14% I believe.
If Ford tells dealers that 14% of their stock should be V10's, guess what they order, and salesman tell people to buy?
Again, and maybe you will never ever get this - your "better choice" is better FOR YOU. Not for me, and apparently for lots of other people. I'm better off with a gasser. I get at or near 17MPGs on the highway. No gasser has to worry about water separators, multiple fuel filters, regens, urea, or a bunch of other things.
Now, stop beating that dead horse
We KNOW that YOU don't think the V10 is the "right choice" for YOU. It IS however, the right choice for US.
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Bill: My V10 can run at WOT all day.
Me: Prove it.
Bill: GRRRRR...Blew it up.
Me: (Didn't laugh at him) Try your other one.
Bill: No
Where's the misdirection you speak of? I'm done arguing this part.
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Ford's marketing target for the V10 was 14% of the total Superduty's produced in the 2000-2003 period if I recall correctly.
14% - .14 - that's just a about 1 in 7. But then you have to factor in the 5.4, and at the time, that was more than 14% I believe.
If Ford tells dealers that 14% of their stock should be V10's, guess what they order, and salesman tell people to buy?
Again, and maybe you will never ever get this - your "better choice" is better FOR YOU. Not for me, and apparently for lots of other people. I'm better off with a gasser. I get at or near 17MPGs on the highway. No gasser has to worry about water separators, multiple fuel filters, regens, urea, or a bunch of other things.
Now, stop beating that dead horse We KNOW that YOU don't think the V10 is the "right choice" for YOU. It IS however, the right choice for US.
14% - .14 - that's just a about 1 in 7. But then you have to factor in the 5.4, and at the time, that was more than 14% I believe.
If Ford tells dealers that 14% of their stock should be V10's, guess what they order, and salesman tell people to buy?
Again, and maybe you will never ever get this - your "better choice" is better FOR YOU. Not for me, and apparently for lots of other people. I'm better off with a gasser. I get at or near 17MPGs on the highway. No gasser has to worry about water separators, multiple fuel filters, regens, urea, or a bunch of other things.
Now, stop beating that dead horse
We KNOW that YOU don't think the V10 is the "right choice" for YOU. It IS however, the right choice for US.
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I did run the other one!
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Maybe you should back away from this thread for a few days, and maybe we'll all do the same thing.
Reality is the same 50-60 people posting again and again...
yes/no; happy? They don't run every engine up that way. If they did, then you bought a used engine in your new truck. Do you understand that? yes, or no? You may have 2 "Friday Engines" for all you know. I can see (for instance) an Eco-Boost being pulled off the line and being repeatedly dogged in different tests. I would hope it passed as it's brand new. I'd like to see them take one that's been driven by Billy Bob Redneck for 5 years and do the same test. 10:1 says it would blow up. Are you under the severely misguided belief that EITHER of your V10's is as strong and stable as it was the day it rolled off the assembly line?
Why would you say that? My badges have the red mesh. They just don't look like it from more than about 5' away, which is what I said. You (I believe you were in on it) and several others said you can see the difference from a long way away. I specifically looked at it today on the way out of Sears and couldn't see the red until I was right up on it...again, due to the angle of the sunlight. I have a 6.4 PSD, not a gasser with a custom exhaust.
Seriously though, if the sun is at any angle other than right on them, it's not that easy to see. It's a plastic, 1/3" mesh so it's very susceptible to shadowing...We have very few gassers up here though (think altitude) so I haven't seen a true black one yet that I know of.
Seriously though, if the sun is at any angle other than right on them, it's not that easy to see. It's a plastic, 1/3" mesh so it's very susceptible to shadowing...We have very few gassers up here though (think altitude) so I haven't seen a true black one yet that I know of.
Of course...an engine would never just wear out...It can always be traced back to a lack of maintenance, right? I'd like to see you pull your other engine and run it through the same tests...$20.00? Awwww...scratch that, I'll offer you $50.00 to do it. Maybe 200140ex will match my oh-so-generous offer
No, you didn't go 20 minutes...but not that test... I'm talking about pulling your engine, hooking it to a dyno, and running it full tilt for however long Ford does, then shocking it with cold water, lather, rinse repeat, or whatever they do. That test. Your engine WILL do that, right? I think you said it can, so prove it. And before you say something like "pull yours and run it next to mine", the answer is "no" because I never claimed mine could do that...and if they did test diesels that way, at 8 months and 18000+ miles, I doubt mine would pass anymore.
Ahhh...you edited while I was typing....yes, the ford testing...
Ahhh...you edited while I was typing....yes, the ford testing...
No it doesn't. I said I go up Vail Pass at 55-60, no problems, and the V10's are always in the truck lane with their flashers on. Are you confused about any other posts I've made? If you are, write them down and I'll address them when I return from Christmas shopping with the wife.
And that was a choice you made. You didn't have to outrun him. You could have made the choice just to keep screaming down the highway in 2nd gear if you wanted. Eventually, the trooper would have made a choice, and then you would have had more decisions (choices) to make. You merely CHOSE to start obeying the law again.
Now that that's out of the way, you have another decision (choice) to make: Are you going to take your truck out and PROVE you can run at WOT "all day" (I'll settle for 12hrs) or are you going to quit being silly and stop proclaiming that you can run your truck at WOT all day?
Now that that's out of the way, you have another decision (choice) to make: Are you going to take your truck out and PROVE you can run at WOT "all day" (I'll settle for 12hrs) or are you going to quit being silly and stop proclaiming that you can run your truck at WOT all day?
