Ah, but bill says about every 5th page the 3v v10 will out pull the 6.4. That is just not true. We need to have another pull off.

 

I'll bite. How about 2,400 lbs more LEGALLY in a 2006 F-350 CC 4x4 dually both trucks with automatics, both trucks with 4.30 gears. Straight out of Fords mouth.

Those are the exact same heavy duty trucks with the exact same chassis, axles, tires, etc, so no one can claim engineering limitations of the rolling chassis. That is the V10 giving up the ghost when the going gets tough and that's even comparing it to the so-called POS 6.0

In lighter duty trucks the V10 will win out about a few hundred pounds or so because chassis limitations DO come into play and the V10 is a lighter package, hence more leftover weight capacity for payload. Truck limitations hamper the PSD in this case, not the engine itself.

There you go. Straight from Ford and in the only way that really matters for everyday real world use, IE the LEGAL way, the PSD can pull almost 1.25 tons more than the V10.

 

Those of us that aren't deaf don't even need to entertain this question. #1

#2. Load up your truck with 10K or so and have the PSD do the same. Then you go ahead and motor down the road at 4500rpm while the PSD does his thing. Which one do you think is likely to need a serious rebuild first?

There's only one answer for that question and you know it. Come on. Come onnnn.

 

i am down in south texas right now so if bill wants to put his v 10 up against my 6.0 then come on down. Mine even has a stuck turbo right now but i still will beat him pulling my trailer. Fully loaded it alone weighs 36000 pounds. I will be nice and even tow him back when we get done.

 

Thats Fords number, not a legal number.
The V10 and PSD are both rated at 33K in the F550.

Were are you?
I have a 2V... I will NOT keep up with a 6.0 pulling.

 

Heck, for 20 years about 90% of hauling in my remodeling business was done with station wagon.
Shall I start new thread "Station wagons v/s V10"?

 

You make it sound like a v10 is just making due with what you have and a PSD is the only way to do real hauling.

 

I guess Bill it comes (again) to the definition what we call real hauling.
You already admitted that you are no competition on uship to guys driving diesels. Your van burns too much fuel to make the competition.
Than how would you manage hauling 20,000 lb load via the deserts? You might not find enough gas stations, so you would have to haul small tanker as well.

 

If you are going by Ford's recommended max gcwr or tow rating then that isn't a legal number(and a lot of the time will put you OVER the legal limit if you drive a psd). Legally, my 5.4 can tow more than a psd and v10 of the same year with the trucks being the same except for the engine. For example, my 250 has a gvwr of 8800 lbs and weighs 5600 lbs. A 7.3 from the same year has the same 8800 lb gvwr but weighs 6100 lbs in the same set up as mine. I have a payload of 3200 lbs and the 7.3 only has 2700 lbs. Using a 25% pin weight my 5.4 can legally tow a 12,800 lb 5th wheel and the 7.3 can only tow a 10,800 lb 5th wheel. Ford rates mine to tow 9,200 and the 7.3 to tow 15,000 though. Ford can rate them for whatever they want to, but the only thing that matters legally is what is stamped on the door(rawr and gvwr).

Why do you all think the v10 has to run at 4,500 rpm all the time when it is pulling a load? I have pulled 10k with my 5.4 many times (for 500-600 miles one way for my longer trips) and on the highway it cruises at 2,000 rpm just as easily as my 7.3 does. When I hit a hill I have to downshift, but I have never HAD to hit 4,500 rpm with it to maintain speed(I have done it a few times just playing around with it). Out of a 600 mile trip, there may be 5-10 miles of it that are spent above 3,500 rpm's. And that is with a 2v 5.4. There is a big difference in being able to and having to.

 

Bill never said the guys that outbid him drive diesels. What he said was every time he bids on something someone comes along and bids a price that is lower than what it would cost him in fuel to make the trip. Bill has only been looking to tow one thing one way. It is very simple for someone else who is towing something one way and then towing something else on the way back to bid much lower than Bill. Or someone towing more than one item on the same trip.

 

My truck backwards

 

You make it sound like you actually believe a 3V V10 will outpull a 6.4...

 

In the 550 package the V10 maxes out at 26K GCWR and a maximum loaded fifth wheel trailer weight of 17,800 #and that is with 5.38 gears in a 4x2 config.. I don't know where you got your numbers, mine come from Ford Fleet towing guides.

The 6.0 OTOH maxes out at 33K GCWR with a maximum loaded fifth wheel trailer weight of 24,000#, with 4.88 gears in either a 4x2 or 4x4 config.

 

Don't confuse the gasoline influenced heads with facts.
They have their mind already set

 

Just some FYI on this thread.

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