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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
From the linked article showing burned down Ford as a result of spit plug.


This is just another proof (besides promoting gas guzzlers) how far can "corporate dollars" make into the politics in this country.
What makes me wonder is howcome V10 owners instead of demanding safety for themself, their families and coworkers - keep downplaying the problem?

That's probably because most of us don't own the years that were the problem. That was fixed long ago with a modified head. I've never had a plug spit out of a V10.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by scraprat
Here is an old article from 2007. It will give you PSDs more reason to keep the DSLs. When reading further down in the article not one plug was thrown through the the hood and hey it was only one truck that burnt up. Now that would fall into the stimulus package.

Spit Spark Plug Ignites Ford Truck
That "consumer affairs" website is run by litigation lawyers. The NHTSA did an investigation into blowing spark plugs, because of a complaint from a lawyer that represented something like 8-10 people. During the investigation, the lawyer made the statement that it caused loss of control, an unsafe situation, or some other statement to that effect. During the course of the investigation, the NHTSA talked to the people involved, and they contradicted what the lawyer put in the complaint. CASE DROPPED never to be reopened again which is standard operating procedure for the NHTSA. During that time, Ford responded with documents showing how they had dealt with the issue at the factory, what they did in terms of misfires and how they shut off the injector to that cylinder so there is no risk of fire (the injector shutdown is part of the OBD-II emissions criteria that any misfiring cylinder not send raw fuel to the catalytic converter).

It seems that the "Consumer Affairs" website info was there to either back up that NHTSA case, or refute it's findings afterwards. I dunno. Never looked at the dates to figure out which was which.

It's kinda bad for Ford owners with the problem that the NHTSA dropped it, but it's just as bad that the lawyer exaggerated the problem to the point where it was dropped.

Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I mean c'mon...Google? Just for sheets and giggles I typed "ford moon bat problems" and got 354,000 threads...Anybody driven a Ford Moon Bat lately?
Garbage In, Garbage Out. Basic computer premise. If you put double quotes around it, Google finds nothing.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
And that is what cost $800 at dealer exchange, or $1200 at a repair?
I never had CC switch problem.
I have no idea. Its $30 for me to change the plugs and they do not blow out.
I thought you were talking about the CC recall before.
Originally Posted by LSchicago2
That's probably because most of us don't own the years that were the problem. That was fixed long ago with a modified head. I've never had a plug spit out of a V10.
Both of mine have the worst threads and they stay in just fine.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
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I thought you were talking about the CC recall before.
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I did. And I also stated that I never had a problem with it (besides dealer dropping filter clamp into my turbo doing the recall).
But I am careful not to say "problem doesn't exist":
Imagine how many people bought Ford after reading on the forum "there is no problem with it" and than had their truck or even a home burned?
We can have fun disputing with each other "my white is better than your red" or "my diesel is better than your gasser" but when it comes to safety statements, better be careful.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Garbage In, Garbage Out. Basic computer premise. If you put double quotes around it, Google finds nothing.
Quotation marks were to indicate the syntax entered into the search bar. "Ford Moon Bat Problems" was what was googled, and it returns the results stated.

If you used the quotation marks as a filter, which it will do, then "Ford V10 problems" return 22,500 results, and "Ford 6.4 problems" returns a mere 3,850....Guess you V10 owners will "lose" the quotation marks, huh?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:26 PM
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I am not saying that there is no problem. If you put the plug in wrong it will come out, and it should not be that easy to mess up.
But the fix is very simple, just put them in the way Ford says.
Its not anymore of a problem than the CPS on the 7.3.

I don't think its a saftety problem either.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Its perfectly safe, there is no problem!
Well ????
BTW -I am carrying spare CPS for 4 years, but the one on the truck never was a problem
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LSchicago2
That's probably because most of us don't own the years that were the problem. That was fixed long ago with a modified head. I've never had a plug spit out of a V10.
I'll admit I don't know if the V10 heads were fixed a "long time ago", but I know for a FACT they didn't address the problem on the 5.4's until 2008. Well, they addressed the problem of them spitting out back in 2004, but created the problem of them NOT COMING OUT from 2004 until 2008.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
If you used the quotation marks as a filter, which it will do, then "Ford V10 problems" return 22,500 results, and "Ford 6.4 problems" returns a mere 3,850....Guess you V10 owners will "lose" the quotation marks, huh?
Considering the V10 has been out for 13+ years, it's not surprising.

Now, do the same thing without the quotes. Almost a million hits for Ford 6.4 problems, 241,000 for Ford V10 problems. Then, do Ford 6.8 problems instead of V10, and get 1,040,000 hits.

So, first you argue that Google results suck, and then use them to bash V10s when they APPEAR to favor the 6.4.

There's a phrase for that behavior. But it would be construed as an insult
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Considering the V10 has been out for 13+ years, it's not surprising.

Now, do the same thing without the quotes. Almost a million hits for Ford 6.4 problems, 241,000 for Ford V10 problems. Then, do Ford 6.8 problems instead of V10, and get 1,040,000 hits.

So, first you argue that Google results suck, and then use them to bash V10s when they APPEAR to favor the 6.4.

There's a phrase for that behavior. But it would be construed as an insult
Not at all. Google results are junk, for lack of a better, civil term. I wasn't sure if you were agreeing with me or not, and since it's in the upper 70's here, hell obviously hasn't frozen over. Seeing that, I decided to run both terms with " " around them and published the results.

I'm glad the mods are held to the same standards as we are when it comes to insults...

However, the 6.4 had growing pains in 2008. If you can extrapolate the data somehow, you'll see the 09 and 10's don't have very many problems at all. 90% of those problems can be traced in the 08's to ignoring a low coolant state, and the other 10% were the old radiators that have since been redesigned, or welded better.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 04:36 PM
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real life statistics can't be a junk. Their interpretation can
For example the "ford moon bat problems" finds only single hit with all the words in the sentence. It leads ... to this forum. All other are just single words in different configurations.
I noticed one rule on Internet forum. When something works well and without a problem >>> you will never find lot of comments on the Internet.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO

However, the 6.4 had growing pains in 2008. If you can extrapolate the data somehow, you'll see the 09 and 10's don't have very many problems at all. 90% of those problems can be traced in the 08's to ignoring a low coolant state, and the other 10% were the old radiators that have since been redesigned, or welded better.

Care to elaborate on these growing pains? I just bought an '08 so forewarned is forearmed and all that.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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My definition of the best towing engine is one that can do the job, last the longest, and get good mileage doing it. The gas engines dont fit any where in there. I will be glad when ford finally makes a 150 diesel so every vehicle i have will be diesel.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 10:38 PM
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Okay here is the video of my 2nd place finish to the Dmax. It's a digital camera recording from my TV because it was on VHS tape. I'll post the others later, flying out tomorrow for work.

YouTube - F250 V10 pull 2005
 
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sand_Man
Proof for your story is like the Roswell UFO crash evidence of 1947, lots of people claim it exists, some have said they've even seen it. But until someone gets it out of the vault, it is what it is, another urban legend. BTW, as for my proof, it's sitting in my driveway and has all 10 plugs in it and has had since day one. And your semantics and spelling still blow...
Really? Roswell? Thank you! Dude this happened in 02 or 03. Back then we didn't
Carry camras around w/ us everywhere we go like today. My friend was more concerned about what had happened and getting his truck off the side of the road as we loaded it on my trailer. It was Ford that told him it blew a plug. All the work was done under warrenty. New heads new hood. But your right it never happened. Roswell?
 
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