Gas vs PSD
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I've seen many failed OE cats with not a single modification to the vehicle. Failed cats is not the concern with EPA emissions certification. Catalysts have precious metals in them that over time with use deteriorate which makes the cats less effective. The EPA makes manufacturers use a set of 120K mile catalysts for full certification (along with a load of other little tests). These are tests that aftermarket tuners do not have to comply with.
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Got me thinking. While in Europe I drove, or seen lot of cheap cars like Fiat, not mentioning about Communism era Pobjedas, Trabants, Wartburgs, Syrenkas and so on.
None of them ever had common problem of plugs shooting out.
How Ford having 100 years of experience did allow it to happen on their prime gasoline engine?
None of them ever had common problem of plugs shooting out.
How Ford having 100 years of experience did allow it to happen on their prime gasoline engine?
Uhmmm.... Are you actually comparing a Ford to a Fiat? I mean Alfa's don't spit plugs either, but what the point in comparing an Alfa to a Ford, one of those will actually drive off the dealer lot when bought.
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Ford has to meet 50 state requirements for their vehicles. Aftermarket tuners do not.
I've seen many failed OE cats with not a single modification to the vehicle. Failed cats is not the concern with EPA emissions certification. Catalysts have precious metals in them that over time with use deteriorate which makes the cats less effective. The EPA makes manufacturers use a set of 120K mile catalysts for full certification (along with a load of other little tests). These are tests that aftermarket tuners do not have to comply with.
JL
I've seen many failed OE cats with not a single modification to the vehicle. Failed cats is not the concern with EPA emissions certification. Catalysts have precious metals in them that over time with use deteriorate which makes the cats less effective. The EPA makes manufacturers use a set of 120K mile catalysts for full certification (along with a load of other little tests). These are tests that aftermarket tuners do not have to comply with.
JL
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That's exactly my point. The Fiat engines 25 years ago had 150k km life expectancy, yet never spit the plug. Trabant 2-cycle engine required overhaul abut every 50k km, or 30k miles. No problems with plugs spitting neither.
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I've known a lot more people have problems with their 6.0 PSDs' over any Ford gas motor by far.
I hope 6.0 owners don't take that personal, if yours has been a good truck, then that's great. I don't like hearing about broken down Fords.
I hope 6.0 owners don't take that personal, if yours has been a good truck, then that's great. I don't like hearing about broken down Fords.
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Yup and no one argues that. But a v10 is not going to outpull a 6.0.
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Sell your Ford, buy a plane ticket, go away...
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People from the factory make mistakes too. If a guy has been installing plugs for 20 years on cast iron heads and then you roll out an aluminum head with half as many threads, there is a good chance he is going to continue putting in plugs the same way he has for the last 20 years. I have a lot of relatives that work for two GM plants, and trust me, the people they have assembling these things are far from being certified mechanics of any kind. One of my cousins can't change her own oil or tire, but she works for GM assembling cars......
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Why does the pull off have to happen where you're at?
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I have an 09, with 350hp/650lb/ft of torque.
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I wonder if the same can be said for the 5.4 vs V10 since the V10 is nothing more than 2 cylinders added to a 5.4...
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A 3V will out pull you, not my 2v.
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Bill, a 3v v10 will NOT outpull a 6.4. I am just staying in this thread to repeat that every time you say it. Then other dude will say his 2v v10 will outpull anything at a sled pull but a dmax wit 100 hp tune.