Gas vs PSD
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Yep...and if you did 10-15 pages in on either the V10 or 6.4 problems pages, you start getting duplicates, or junk. Google is not as great as they hype themselves to be.
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Doesn't that apply everywhere?
Than if someone can't notice the difference between one place with 100% match and 39,000 of others that have few percent >>>> that might be very long road to the success.
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I know how to use it, and when I'm looking for something, it narrows things down for me from time to time. I posted my examples since one of the V10 owners decided to quote Google results like it was gospel on the numbers of issues by engine type. The funny thing is you didn't bother saying anything to him about how Google results are like that commercial for The Ladders where everyone runs out onto the tennis court trying to play....I love that commercial.
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It's 359,000 today... ford moon bat problems - Google Search
But on the plus side of the ford moon bat problem FTE shows #3 in the search.
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It's not doublespeak, it is just speaking the truth and understanding how an equation works. HP = tq x rpm/5252. As rpm's decrease, tq has to increase for hp to stay the same. As rpm's increase you can get by with less tq and maintain the same hp. You can't have low rpms and low tq and expect to make high hp. So yes, HP is all that matters when it comes to engine power. Either high tq or high rpms will get you the same result. When it comes to putting that power to the ground, gearing becomes a part of the equation. Tractive force = hp x 5252/wheel rpm.
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If you compare the average mpg's(instead of the highest for one driving empty vs the lowest of the other idling for 8 hours and pulling 10k lbs), the v10 is not too far behind the 6.0 and 6.4.
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It's not doublespeak, it is just speaking the truth and understanding how an equation works. HP = tq x rpm/5252. As rpm's decrease, tq has to increase for hp to stay the same. As rpm's increase you can get by with less tq and maintain the same hp. You can't have low rpms and low tq and expect to make high hp. So yes, HP is all that matters when it comes to engine power. Either high tq or high rpms will get you the same result. When it comes to putting that power to the ground, gearing becomes a part of the equation. Tractive force = hp x 5252/wheel rpm.
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I like the low rpm power of the diesel, and that is why I would give it my vote for better all around towing engine if all other things were equal(ease and cost of maintenance, reliability, etc). I am just arguing that the v10 can pull anything just as good as the psd if it has a chance to get its rpm's up and that getting the rpm's up on it is not going to hurt it. To do the formula for tractive force you also have to know wheel rpm. Wheel rpm is engine rpm/final drive ratio. Final drive ratio is tranny gear x rear end gear. For example, my truck has a 4.10 gear and is in 1st gear(5.72 tranny ratio). My final drive ratio is 4.10 x 5.72=23.45. If my engine is turning 4,500 rpm my wheel rpm is 4,500/23.45=192. So my tractive force in 1st gear at 4,500 rpm is 260 hp x 5252/192=7,112.
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The numbers I'm using is real world numbers. I get 18mpg mt. My friends 07 v10 gets 13 mt. When we gross 20k I get 12 he gets 8. When I haul hay. It weighs 18k-20k itself I drom to 10. Have gone as low as 9.
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Comparing yours to your friends grossing 20k, without writing a page and a half with all of the math, it would take you 112,500 miles to make up the price difference in the 6.0 and v10 based on your fuel savings of 12 vs 8 mpg's, and that is factoring in zero maintenance costs for either. For people that drive a lot of miles and keep their trucks until they wear out, the psd will more than pay for itself over the life of the truck.