We both run at 70 psi, we would both go to 80, but can't find a gas station that will let us set it that high.

perhaps he uses more "throttle" when leaving the stop light But I admittedly do the same, if you don't some teenage college kid will cut you off. I tapped someone in my Saab a couple months ago because she pulled in front me (there was about 50 feet between me and the truck in front of me) then slammed on the brakes to turn. Argg... the aggravations of living in a college town.

Also, I'm not sure how the streets are in CO, but here there is at least 1 stop sign half way up any hill, which kills mpg. And the having to stop and backup on occasion because a tractor trailer is coming down a 1.5 lane road is never good for mpg.

When we are back in Ohio (we're both from the same area) he said he can get about 15, but I get 12 driving locally in the flat land area. So a tiny edge goes to the V10 here in WV and tiny edge goes to the 6.4 in Ohio, but really not much advantage in the local driving either way, at least between my friend and myself. And when you compare it to the overall cost of owner ship, the difference is to small to care about.

Again though, the highway is a different story... But I don't drive much highway...

 

Hell yeah. Friend of mine has a '09 Ram 2500 w/ Cummins. Soon as his warranty is out, he's ripping his off.

 

Pretty obvious who are the mature ones here, two personal attacks in a single post? Really jac08f250? At least the V10 guys don't have to justify their purchase by committing a federal felony by removing emissions equipment. (Yes removing emissions equipment is a felony)

As far as a 6.7 pulling 100k lbs? So? Those little airplane tug/tow trucks typically have less then 150HP, yet have no problem pulling around 80,000 air planes. Hell my little 12HP single cylinder gasoline IH Cub Cadet 127 has no problem pulling around my 3200 lb Ranger. In terms of HP/Weight, that's the same as a 6.4 pulling 94,000 lbs or a 6.7 pulling 104,000.

Give that little 12HP enough time and it will even get 100,000 lbs moving. It doesn't take much power to haul stuff, or even haul stuff fast. It's when you hit the hills that power matters (at least if you want to maintain speed) - and guess what? A V10 has more power.

 

Tom uses synthetic in his part of the year because of his climate. Something about the warranty requires it below certain temps. A lot of people may use Mobil 1 in their 5.4, but comparing that cost to a conventional diesel oil change would be like me comparing the fuel filter costs of a 7.3 based on the guys that change it every 5k miles. The filter on a 7.3 is good for 60k miles, but some people just like to change it with their oil.

I have no idea. I just asked what kind of mpg's they get and most say between 12-15 mpg's empty. Johnny is one of the ones that gets 15 empty, so next time he gets on we can ask him. Bill gets about 12, but he runs his like he stole it. I get 15 out of my 5.4 and that is per fill up.

My biggest argument in defense of the gasser is only in terms of acceleration. My 5.4 will out accelerate and top a hill faster than my 7.3, but I think the 7.3 is a better all around towing engine. It requires less downshifting, gets 6 mpg better and the maintenance isn't much on a 7.3. From what I have seen with the 6.0's and 6.4's there is either a drastic drop in mpg's, reliability issues, increased maintenance costs and more difficult to fix when something does go wrong.

 

Hahaha... your funny. You get so angry and have to resort to calling people names because you can't back your claims up with numbers.

The plain and simple fact is that a V10 or a PSD doesn't change the trucks GVWR unless you have DRW's, and you and I do not. I could careless if some farmer in Montana hooked up a 5000000000000000 lb trailer full of cow poop and moved 3 feet at 2 mph. If I get in accident (rather I'm fualt or not) with an over loaded truck, I'm in trouble. That said, both the PSD and the V10 can take the truck (in SRW form) to its legal limits. Will one do it easier than the other, yes; but both can do it.

You run highway miles, I run city miles. You are missing the point though, not ever single super duty owner drives highway miles. Not everyone on the plant drive like you do... That's why I've said certain engines meet certain peoples demands, for some the PSD is the better choice, and others a gasser, rather V10 or V8. Your circumstances do not apply to every person in the world, sorry.

Does that make my engine "badass"? I guess for you it does. Usain Bolt can run the 100m in world record time; I can run 100m too, not as fast or as easy as him, but with your logic I'm a "badass" runner.

As for the noise and smell... you can tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better, but your defensiveness makes me think there might be some underling issues you need to resolve.

Edit: No I do not compare the V10 to the 6.7. Just like I don't compare the V10 to the 7.3. I try to use similar year engines. So the 7.3 would be more comparable to the 460. The V10 to the 6.0 and 6.4. The 6.7 does not have a big gas engine to compare it to. Ford decided a mid sized engine (6.2) is good enough to do what most of the V10 consumers needed while doing what the 5.4 consumers needed as well. Production of 1 engine is cheaper than 2. Although the V10 is still made and used in the F650/750 along with the... oh forgot the 6.4 isn't there, that would be a Cummins.

 

In average everyday driving, my truck get 12-12.5. That's stop and go around our little town, idling around the house, running the mower over to my in-law's on the trailer,etc. On the highway-it gets 14-15 mpg. Towing the travel trailer that is 33ft long and weighs roughly 9500, it gets 8-9 mpg.
It's done this for the last 30K miles,and is dead-consistent doing it.
JL

 

Oh no I committed a felony. And there are ALOT of people who have. Am I going to get caught nope. Do I have to worry about nope. And a v-10 has more power uh? Last time I looked the 6.7 has 390 hp and the v-10 has 362. Yup the v-10 has more power. And I think my v-10 probably has twice as much power to the wheels then a v-10 with the same mods. LMAO at the gasser guys.

 

yeah were people live some people requires syntheic. And maybe with the 6.0's and the early 6.4's had issues but there are alot of poeple who haven't had any issues with their 6.0's or 6.4's with 100k plus miles on thier truck. I'm sure there are some 5.4 or v-10 owners out there that has issues with their trucks.

 

And it will be great fun watching him get inspected by either 1) The DOT - or 2) the state emissions inspectors. Coming soon to a theater near you if it hasn't already: Emissions inspections for diesels that include both sniffer and visual inspections. That oughta be a hole boat-load of fun.

Um... what?

You must be dreaming or sniffing gas fumes again

Since you were the guy who posted about the F650/750 getting the V10 in 2011, guess what?

The ONLY OTHER CHOICE in the F650/750 is the Cummins ISB, rated at 325HP and 750lb/ft of torque.

WHY IS THE PSD NOT OFFERED IN A FORD MEDIUM-DUTY TRUCK, but the V10 IS slated for 2011?

(I'll eat my words if anyone can find any news about Ford putting the 6.7 into the F650/750 for 2011)

 

I use my compressor at home to fill mine, and it has an inline dryer on it so I get most of the moisture out. I tried 80, but man, that made the ride rough.

There's a college town about 30 miles North of me and I try to avoid it at all costs. they have the lights set so if you make one red, you get all of them. They don't follow the *one red light every 1/4 mile* axiom either. they are spaced like every 100yds for 3-4 miles. It's RIDICULOUS!

Most of my time is highway, so the diesel made good cents (play on words before someone corrects me) in my case.

 

Are you going to get caught? Probably not, but can it happen? Yup. Especially if you do a lot of interstate towing. I know more then one person who was towing stuff that got pulled over to be inspected. They were legal of course, so there were no problems, but the penalties from removing emissions equipment are quite large. You can get fined up to $2,500 per a component per day with removed/non-functional emissions equipment. As far as other guys doing it? What's your point? A guy in town tried to rob a local store, I guess that means I can do it to? I mean after all, it's just a felony right?

A V10 has more HP compared to a 7.3/6.0/6.4 which are the main discussion topics of this thread. I haven't seen any big comparisons involving the 6.7 against other engines yet.

 

Man I'm not even close to angry and if you get offended my me calling you ******** and if you think that is name calling then I guess you are a bible thumper. You guys can say whatever you want to. But the way you guys are talking and try to compare you v-10 to a psd sounds like you think your smart by not spneding the extra money for the diesel (which was a mistake on your guys part) and think the v-10 enigne is better then a psd. So how is that not saying your engine is badass compare to a psd?

 

When we first started using JP8 in everything we had the normal gummed up and melting fuel pumps, clogged filters, etc. They changed gaskets and seals in the pumps of the wheeled vehicles, changed the fuel filters frequently for a year or so, and now the JP8 problems are gone. I did have an entire section of trucks down at one time though, and that sucked. JP8 didn't mess with the *I'll burn water if you give it to me* M1A1's though. They were M1A1's back then. The M1A2(SEP) was still in development.

 

My compressor is back in Ohio at my mom's house, don't think my apartment neighbors would it very well lol.

I ran my f150 at 80 psi, it was quite rough as you mentioned, not that 70 psi is gentle, but there is a difference.

Yeah, our red lights are as you mentioned. And since it's a college town, you have the kids that fly and the ones that crawl. I always end up behind the later, so even if I get a green, they are going so slow the next one ends up red

 

I'm curious myself, all speculation aside. I've read the speculation, but the FACT is nobody knows why. That's going to be one slow 650 with a V10 in it.