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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 2001400ex
JR, I just noticed you sold your V10, is the recent? What's the story? (sorry if I missed it, I obviously haven't read every post).
I sold the V10 and the horse trailer that went with it about a month ago. Some guy that boards in the same barn I do (actually he boards his daughters horse that he paid for) needed a truck and trailer. So he bought mine, both the truck and trailer as a combo.

It was a good deal for me because I really don't require such a big trailer any more as I don't travel across the country anymore (note I used a 7.3 PSD for that) and really don't need anything that big (i.e. I never use the living quarters anymore and only have 1 horse, it held 3 horses). So I got rid of a $60k+ depreciating asset and plan on buying a smaller trailer in the next year or two.

Right now I'm driving my Saab, its a fun peppy car, but I'm plotting what kind of truck to get next. It will obviously be a Ford, just not sure what.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
I sold the V10 and the horse trailer that went with it about a month ago. Some guy that boards in the same barn I do (actually he boards his daughters horse that he paid for) needed a truck and trailer. So he bought mine, both the truck and trailer as a combo.

It was a good deal for me because I really don't require such a big trailer any more as I don't travel across the country anymore (note I used a 7.3 PSD for that) and really don't need anything that big (i.e. I never use the living quarters anymore and only have 1 horse, it held 3 horses). So I got rid of a $60k+ depreciating asset and plan on buying a smaller trailer in the next year or two.

Right now I'm driving my Saab, its a fun peppy car, but I'm plotting what kind of truck to get next. It will obviously be a Ford, just not sure what.
I think I vaugely remember that. I know your next truck will be a 6.7!!!!

I am kicking around a couple things on my 6.0. I need to tow a couple times to the dunes in the next month, so I am debating whether to sell my truck after that and buy a half ton until the spring or whether to get a newer diesel now. I am talking with a dealer, but we will see what happens.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
Easy...

Diesel costs about $2.95-2.85 here, I used $2.85
Gas costs $2.55 for 87
Assume the PSD gets 18 and the V10 15mpg, that's your 3 mpg difference.
So I figured out the cost to run each engine 1 mile in excel, then found how much more it costs to run V10 per mile, and used solver to find the number of miles you have to drive to save $1092 a year (thats the $91 per a month times 12 months). The result looked like this:
PSD = 2.85/18=$0.158 per mile
V10 = 2.55/15=$0.170 per mile
So the V10 costs $0.0117 more per mile than the PSD under those conditions
To save $1092 a year you divide the difference: 1092 $/yr / 0.0117 $/mile = 93,333 miles per year.
I rounded down to 90,000 miles per year.

I assumed you did some sort of math like that to figure out the $91 dollars a month you saved, I just reversed it.

On a side note, I got about 14 mpg on "flat" ground with steady driving out of my V10. At 14 mpg for the V10 and 18 for the PSD (which seem more reasonable to me), you only need to drive 45,000 miles a year to save your $1092 a year.
My math is using gals instead of miles. At 3mpg that's is 30 miles every 10 gals. At 15mpg that would be 2 gals =$5. Last year I burnt 2160 gals. That avg 180 a month. 2160/10=216x5=1080 /12=$90. 2160 gals x 18mpg =38,880 miles.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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Home. Finally. Just shy of 1400 miles. The Pig averaged 13.5 mpg @ 65 mph on the trip home. The regen cycle runs about every 190 miles for 10-12 minutes. It doesn't have nearly as much affect on mileage as what I had thought from reading here but that may have just been my misunderstanding. Hills do more damage to MPG than the regen does.

Not much to say about it at this point. 1400 unloaded miles doesn't tell you much about a trucks ability to pull but I don't expect any surprises.

The ride really isn't all that bad. Pretty much on a par with my old F-250, until you hit a BIG bump. If it's big enough to make the rear end hit the overloads it stiffens up REAL fast.

Turns on a DIME. Better than my CC shortbox did and WAY better than my Excursion. For such a bloated pig it sure does turn.

Seats seem a bit hard to me. At least that's what my azz is telling me. SORE butt, but maybe it's like getting used to a new bed and I'll acclimated.

Back up cam in the mirror is not my favorite thing. On my Ex it's in the head unit in the dash and is a MUCH bigger and more usable picture. Does anyone know if the camera in the 450 uses a standard connector or is it some proprietary Ford plug? And does it plug into the head unit or the mirror?

Kids love it. It's RED, like their old truck, and I filled it with balloons of their favorite colors (pink & green) right before I got home so it was an extra big hit.

Heading out in a couple weeks to an RV show and I'll be pulling about 8000# of camper. Shouldn't even break a sweat, but I'll post the results after.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
My math is using gals instead of miles. At 3mpg that's is 30 miles every 10 gals. At 15mpg that would be 2 gals =$5. Last year I burnt 2160 gals. That avg 180 a month. 2160/10=216x5=1080 /12=$90. 2160 gals x 18mpg =38,880 miles.
I get much different numbers than you do if I use 18 and 15 mpg's when driving the same distance of 38,880 and using the fuel costs where I live.

38,880/18 mpg=2,160 gallons of diesel
2,160 x 2.85 per gallon=$6,156 per year in fuel costs.

38,880/15 mpg=2,592 gallons of gas
2,592 x 2.42 per gallon=$6,272 per year in fuel costs.

$6,272-$6,156=$116 in fuel savings per YEAR if you drive 38,880 miles per year. Not quite the $90 a month you came up with
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tgreening
Home. Finally. Just shy of 1400 miles. The Pig averaged 13.5 mpg @ 65 mph on the trip home. The regen cycle runs about every 190 miles for 10-12 minutes. It doesn't have nearly as much affect on mileage as what I had thought from reading here but that may have just been my misunderstanding. Hills do more damage to MPG than the regen does.

Not much to say about it at this point. 1400 unloaded miles doesn't tell you much about a trucks ability to pull but I don't expect any surprises.

The ride really isn't all that bad. Pretty much on a par with my old F-250, until you hit a BIG bump. If it's big enough to make the rear end hit the overloads it stiffens up REAL fast.

Turns on a DIME. Better than my CC shortbox did and WAY better than my Excursion. For such a bloated pig it sure does turn.

Seats seem a bit hard to me. At least that's what my azz is telling me. SORE butt, but maybe it's like getting used to a new bed and I'll acclimated.

Back up cam in the mirror is not my favorite thing. On my Ex it's in the head unit in the dash and is a MUCH bigger and more usable picture. Does anyone know if the camera in the 450 uses a standard connector or is it some proprietary Ford plug? And does it plug into the head unit or the mirror?

Kids love it. It's RED, like their old truck, and I filled it with balloons of their favorite colors (pink & green) right before I got home so it was an extra big hit.

Heading out in a couple weeks to an RV show and I'll be pulling about 8000# of camper. Shouldn't even break a sweat, but I'll post the results after.
The F450 had an option, I forget exactly what they celled it, but it allowed the front axel to turn far more than a normal F250/350. You must have that option, just be carefull not to jack knife when towing a gooseneck or fifth wheel.

I think my azz would hurt after 1400 miles not matter what seat I was in
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tgreening
Kids love it. It's RED, like their old truck, and I filled it with balloons of their favorite colors (pink & green) right before I got home so it was an extra big hit.
Nice, glad you like it and good luck with it
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
The F450 had an option, I forget exactly what they celled it, but it allowed the front axel to turn far more than a normal F250/350. You must have that option, just be carefull not to jack knife when towing a gooseneck or fifth wheel.

I think my azz would hurt after 1400 miles not matter what seat I was in

I think the "option" is a front axle that's about 6" wider than the others. If I recall the extra width itself is what allows the tighter radius.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
My math is using gals instead of miles. At 3mpg that's is 30 miles every 10 gals. At 15mpg that would be 2 gals =$5. Last year I burnt 2160 gals. That avg 180 a month. 2160/10=216x5=1080 /12=$90. 2160 gals x 18mpg =38,880 miles.
Okay, so what you're saying is that for every 10 gallons of diesel you buy, you have to buy 12 gallons of gas. I buy that.

The problem is your assuming you buy the first 10 gallons at diesel price then last 2 at gas price. So if you buy 180 gallons of diesel a month, that means you would buy 180x12/10 gallons of gas a month, or 216 gallon of gas a month.

Now 180 x 2.89 = $520 for diesel
216 x 2.59 = $559 for gas
A $39 dollar difference.

What you were doing was taking the first 180 gallons of gas at $520, even though 180 gallon of gas is actually cost $466.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
Easy...

Diesel costs about $2.95-2.85 here, I used $2.85
Gas costs $2.55 for 87
Assume the PSD gets 18 and the V10 15mpg, that's your 3 mpg difference.
So I figured out the cost to run each engine 1 mile in excel, then found how much more it costs to run V10 per mile, and used solver to find the number of miles you have to drive to save $1092 a year (thats the $91 per a month times 12 months). The result looked like this:
PSD = 2.85/18=$0.158 per mile
V10 = 2.55/15=$0.170 per mile
So the V10 costs $0.0117 more per mile than the PSD under those conditions
To save $1092 a year you divide the difference: 1092 $/yr / 0.0117 $/mile = 93,333 miles per year.
I rounded down to 90,000 miles per year.

I assumed you did some sort of math like that to figure out the $91 dollars a month you saved, I just reversed it.

On a side note, I got about 14 mpg on "flat" ground with steady driving out of my V10. At 14 mpg for the V10 and 18 for the PSD (which seem more reasonable to me), you only need to drive 45,000 miles a year to save your $1092 a year.
My math is using gals instead of miles. At 3mpg that's is 30 miles every 10 gals. At 15mpg that would be 2 gals =$5. Last year I burnt 2160 gals. That avg 180 a month. 2160/10=216x5=1080 /12=$90. 2160 gals x 18mpg =38,880 miles. But I didn't drive 39,000 miles it was 33,000 miles. Have to factor in my loaded miles.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 06:19 PM
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Okay, so what you're saying is that for every 10 gallons of diesel you buy, you have to buy 12 gallons of gas. I buy that.

The problem is your assuming you buy the first 10 gallons at diesel price then last 2 at gas price. So if you buy 180 gallons of diesel a month, that means you would buy 180x12/10 gallons of gas a month, or 216 gallon of gas a month.

Now 180 x 2.89 = $520 for diesel
216 x 2.59 = $559 for gas
A $39 dollar difference.

What you were doing was taking the first 180 gallons of gas at $520, even though 180 gallon of gas is actually cost $466.
1st of all I,m sorry for the multi post. My blackberry and this site doesn't play well.
For some reason it doesn't post or doest post every thing or post more than once.

No I don't assume anything. 3mpg differnce will equal 30 miles differnce on 10 gals. All of my traveling area the prices is very close to being the same. I used $5 for my price instead of $5.10 to kinda off set any price chances. Like I said but didn't get posted was I didn't drive 38,000 miles. I'm not playing
With numbers. I'm using gals that I actually burnt. I'm not judging by the prices in other areas. This is real world for me. And for me $1000 a year means something. I know some that it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make my truck any better than
I moved up from f150s w/ 5.4ls and it was a good choice for me. It might not be right for someone else.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
I'm not playing
With numbers. I'm using gals that I actually burnt.
He isn't meaning that you are playing with numbers or lying about anything, he is just saying you made an error in your calculations. You are using the price of diesel for both you and the v10 for the number of gallons YOU used but then using the price of gas for the additional amount that the v10 would use to come up with the extra amount spent. Look at my numbers a few posts up. Even driving 38k miles per year the psd is only going to save $116 per year.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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38,000 miles go's through a whole lot more than $116 in extra oil and filters too...
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by phillips91
He isn't meaning that you are playing with numbers or lying about anything, he is just saying you made an error in your calculations. You are using the price of diesel for both you and the v10 for the number of gallons YOU used but then using the price of gas for the additional amount that the v10 would use to come up with the extra amount spent. Look at my numbers a few posts up. Even driving 38k miles per year the psd is only going to save $116 per year.
I misunderstood what he was saying. I thought he was saying that the prices might change. As soon as I sent that post it hit me I had to adjust discount. I'm sorry guys I was wrong. The short side should look like this. The savings will be $2 per every 10 gals =180 /10= 18 x2 = $36x12=$472 a year. 12 gal of gas cost $2 more than fuel.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
38,000 miles go's through a whole lot more than $116 in extra oil and filters too...
With the price of fuels here it is barely cost efficient for me to drive my 7.3. With my last job I was driving 50-75k miles per year and diesel averaged 2.70 and gas 2.65. That saved me a ton each year by driving my 7.3 instead of my 5.4. Now diesel is 2.85-2.90 and gas is 2.30-2.40 (and I am no longer working for that company or driving that much).
 
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