Gas vs PSD
It was a good deal for me because I really don't require such a big trailer any more as I don't travel across the country anymore (note I used a 7.3 PSD for that) and really don't need anything that big (i.e. I never use the living quarters anymore and only have 1 horse, it held 3 horses). So I got rid of a $60k+ depreciating asset and plan on buying a smaller trailer in the next year or two.
Right now I'm driving my Saab, its a fun peppy car, but I'm plotting what kind of truck to get next. It will obviously be a Ford, just not sure what.
It was a good deal for me because I really don't require such a big trailer any more as I don't travel across the country anymore (note I used a 7.3 PSD for that) and really don't need anything that big (i.e. I never use the living quarters anymore and only have 1 horse, it held 3 horses). So I got rid of a $60k+ depreciating asset and plan on buying a smaller trailer in the next year or two.
Right now I'm driving my Saab, its a fun peppy car, but I'm plotting what kind of truck to get next. It will obviously be a Ford, just not sure what.
I am kicking around a couple things on my 6.0. I need to tow a couple times to the dunes in the next month, so I am debating whether to sell my truck after that and buy a half ton until the spring or whether to get a newer diesel now. I am talking with a dealer, but we will see what happens.
Diesel costs about $2.95-2.85 here, I used $2.85
Gas costs $2.55 for 87
Assume the PSD gets 18 and the V10 15mpg, that's your 3 mpg difference.
So I figured out the cost to run each engine 1 mile in excel, then found how much more it costs to run V10 per mile, and used solver to find the number of miles you have to drive to save $1092 a year (thats the $91 per a month times 12 months). The result looked like this:
PSD = 2.85/18=$0.158 per mile
V10 = 2.55/15=$0.170 per mile
So the V10 costs $0.0117 more per mile than the PSD under those conditions
To save $1092 a year you divide the difference: 1092 $/yr / 0.0117 $/mile = 93,333 miles per year.
I rounded down to 90,000 miles per year.
I assumed you did some sort of math like that to figure out the $91 dollars a month you saved, I just reversed it.
On a side note, I got about 14 mpg on "flat" ground with steady driving out of my V10. At 14 mpg for the V10 and 18 for the PSD (which seem more reasonable to me), you only need to drive 45,000 miles a year to save your $1092 a year.
Not much to say about it at this point. 1400 unloaded miles doesn't tell you much about a trucks ability to pull but I don't expect any surprises.
The ride really isn't all that bad. Pretty much on a par with my old F-250, until you hit a BIG bump. If it's big enough to make the rear end hit the overloads it stiffens up REAL fast.
Turns on a DIME. Better than my CC shortbox did and WAY better than my Excursion. For such a bloated pig it sure does turn.
Seats seem a bit hard to me. At least that's what my azz is telling me. SORE butt, but maybe it's like getting used to a new bed and I'll acclimated.
Back up cam in the mirror is not my favorite thing. On my Ex it's in the head unit in the dash and is a MUCH bigger and more usable picture. Does anyone know if the camera in the 450 uses a standard connector or is it some proprietary Ford plug? And does it plug into the head unit or the mirror?
Kids love it. It's RED, like their old truck, and I filled it with balloons of their favorite colors (pink & green) right before I got home so it was an extra big hit.
Heading out in a couple weeks to an RV show and I'll be pulling about 8000# of camper. Shouldn't even break a sweat, but I'll post the results after.
38,880/18 mpg=2,160 gallons of diesel
2,160 x 2.85 per gallon=$6,156 per year in fuel costs.
38,880/15 mpg=2,592 gallons of gas
2,592 x 2.42 per gallon=$6,272 per year in fuel costs.
$6,272-$6,156=$116 in fuel savings per YEAR if you drive 38,880 miles per year. Not quite the $90 a month you came up with
Not much to say about it at this point. 1400 unloaded miles doesn't tell you much about a trucks ability to pull but I don't expect any surprises.
The ride really isn't all that bad. Pretty much on a par with my old F-250, until you hit a BIG bump. If it's big enough to make the rear end hit the overloads it stiffens up REAL fast.
Turns on a DIME. Better than my CC shortbox did and WAY better than my Excursion. For such a bloated pig it sure does turn.
Seats seem a bit hard to me. At least that's what my azz is telling me. SORE butt, but maybe it's like getting used to a new bed and I'll acclimated.
Back up cam in the mirror is not my favorite thing. On my Ex it's in the head unit in the dash and is a MUCH bigger and more usable picture. Does anyone know if the camera in the 450 uses a standard connector or is it some proprietary Ford plug? And does it plug into the head unit or the mirror?
Kids love it. It's RED, like their old truck, and I filled it with balloons of their favorite colors (pink & green) right before I got home so it was an extra big hit.
Heading out in a couple weeks to an RV show and I'll be pulling about 8000# of camper. Shouldn't even break a sweat, but I'll post the results after.

I think my azz would hurt after 1400 miles not matter what seat I was in
I think my azz would hurt after 1400 miles not matter what seat I was in

I think the "option" is a front axle that's about 6" wider than the others. If I recall the extra width itself is what allows the tighter radius.
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The problem is your assuming you buy the first 10 gallons at diesel price then last 2 at gas price. So if you buy 180 gallons of diesel a month, that means you would buy 180x12/10 gallons of gas a month, or 216 gallon of gas a month.
Now 180 x 2.89 = $520 for diesel
216 x 2.59 = $559 for gas
A $39 dollar difference.
What you were doing was taking the first 180 gallons of gas at $520, even though 180 gallon of gas is actually cost $466.
Diesel costs about $2.95-2.85 here, I used $2.85
Gas costs $2.55 for 87
Assume the PSD gets 18 and the V10 15mpg, that's your 3 mpg difference.
So I figured out the cost to run each engine 1 mile in excel, then found how much more it costs to run V10 per mile, and used solver to find the number of miles you have to drive to save $1092 a year (thats the $91 per a month times 12 months). The result looked like this:
PSD = 2.85/18=$0.158 per mile
V10 = 2.55/15=$0.170 per mile
So the V10 costs $0.0117 more per mile than the PSD under those conditions
To save $1092 a year you divide the difference: 1092 $/yr / 0.0117 $/mile = 93,333 miles per year.
I rounded down to 90,000 miles per year.
I assumed you did some sort of math like that to figure out the $91 dollars a month you saved, I just reversed it.
On a side note, I got about 14 mpg on "flat" ground with steady driving out of my V10. At 14 mpg for the V10 and 18 for the PSD (which seem more reasonable to me), you only need to drive 45,000 miles a year to save your $1092 a year.
The problem is your assuming you buy the first 10 gallons at diesel price then last 2 at gas price. So if you buy 180 gallons of diesel a month, that means you would buy 180x12/10 gallons of gas a month, or 216 gallon of gas a month.
Now 180 x 2.89 = $520 for diesel
216 x 2.59 = $559 for gas
A $39 dollar difference.
What you were doing was taking the first 180 gallons of gas at $520, even though 180 gallon of gas is actually cost $466.
For some reason it doesn't post or doest post every thing or post more than once.
No I don't assume anything. 3mpg differnce will equal 30 miles differnce on 10 gals. All of my traveling area the prices is very close to being the same. I used $5 for my price instead of $5.10 to kinda off set any price chances. Like I said but didn't get posted was I didn't drive 38,000 miles. I'm not playing
With numbers. I'm using gals that I actually burnt. I'm not judging by the prices in other areas. This is real world for me. And for me $1000 a year means something. I know some that it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't make my truck any better than
I moved up from f150s w/ 5.4ls and it was a good choice for me. It might not be right for someone else.





