Gas vs PSD
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The manual tranny will only help in its low gear (or 1st, whatever they call it), once the 5.4 is shifted out of that gear, it's all over for it. But it can have it's 5 seconds of glory before being sent to the slaughter house.
I also would not be very pleased with a 5.4, but for some it suites their needs, so be it. Good for them.
I also would not be very pleased with a 5.4, but for some it suites their needs, so be it. Good for them.
It wasn't that long ago that the 460 had about the same low end tq as the 5.4, 60 less hp, got half the mpg's and came with a 4 speed auto...... People still cry about them not making the 460 any more and say it's one of the best towing engines of all time, but for some reason think the 5.4 shouldn't even be in the super duty. The 5.4 isn't the best towing option out there by any means, but it will out pull a lot more than people give it credit for. You were also saying a while back that your 3v v10 with 4.30 gears and a 5 speed tranny was only good for occasional towing, so I don't if much of anything would please you.....
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I never got the whole thing with the love of the 460.
I own a 460 with a manual trans and 4.10s and I have driven a PI 5.4 with 3.73s and 4r100. The 460s gearing helps it up to about 15-20, but after that its either even or the 5.4 has the edge.
The 460 gets 6 MPGs towing a load the 5.4 can get 9 towing. It starts faster, its smoother, it does not fall on its face as the revs get higher and its all around just better.
The OBS trucks top gas motor is not even as good as the base SuperDuty engine, IMO.
I love the OBS trucks but they do not compare at all to a SD and the engines are the biggest reason for me. I do not get the poeple that go around claiming things like " Ford never built a real truck after 1996.".
I can't really say much though, I might still be talking about how the V10 is the greatest truck engine ever made in 20 years.
I own a 460 with a manual trans and 4.10s and I have driven a PI 5.4 with 3.73s and 4r100. The 460s gearing helps it up to about 15-20, but after that its either even or the 5.4 has the edge.
The 460 gets 6 MPGs towing a load the 5.4 can get 9 towing. It starts faster, its smoother, it does not fall on its face as the revs get higher and its all around just better.
The OBS trucks top gas motor is not even as good as the base SuperDuty engine, IMO.
I love the OBS trucks but they do not compare at all to a SD and the engines are the biggest reason for me. I do not get the poeple that go around claiming things like " Ford never built a real truck after 1996.".
I can't really say much though, I might still be talking about how the V10 is the greatest truck engine ever made in 20 years.
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Thank you for understanding what I am saying.
My truck will do 25 mph in 1st gear. 1st in a gasser isn't a useless gear like it is in a psd.
My offer still stands. Come ride with me any time you want to. I'll be more than happy to show you what a dog it is off the line and how it "struggles" with even the lightest trailer.
Go back and read my posts. I clearly said that only applied in 1st gear. I wasn't saying otherwise.
It wasn't that long ago that the 460 had about the same low end tq as the 5.4, 60 less hp, got half the mpg's and came with a 4 speed auto...... People still cry about them not making the 460 any more and say it's one of the best towing engines of all time, but for some reason think the 5.4 shouldn't even be in the super duty. The 5.4 isn't the best towing option out there by any means, but it will out pull a lot more than people give it credit for. You were also saying a while back that your 3v v10 with 4.30 gears and a 5 speed tranny was only good for occasional towing, so I don't if much of anything would please you.....
My truck will do 25 mph in 1st gear. 1st in a gasser isn't a useless gear like it is in a psd.
My offer still stands. Come ride with me any time you want to. I'll be more than happy to show you what a dog it is off the line and how it "struggles" with even the lightest trailer.
Go back and read my posts. I clearly said that only applied in 1st gear. I wasn't saying otherwise.
It wasn't that long ago that the 460 had about the same low end tq as the 5.4, 60 less hp, got half the mpg's and came with a 4 speed auto...... People still cry about them not making the 460 any more and say it's one of the best towing engines of all time, but for some reason think the 5.4 shouldn't even be in the super duty. The 5.4 isn't the best towing option out there by any means, but it will out pull a lot more than people give it credit for. You were also saying a while back that your 3v v10 with 4.30 gears and a 5 speed tranny was only good for occasional towing, so I don't if much of anything would please you.....
Look, I agree there is a place for that truck, just not in my garage. I had Chevy's equivalent in their 6.0 gas engine and it was a dog. It did alright, but in no way is close to my PSD.
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Why would he need to drive anouther one just to see that same thing?
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Do you really think a 1997 can even hold a candle to the 6.0 he claims he can pull off the line?
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Off the line I think a 97 ( IIRC his is a 95 though) with a 5.72 first gear and 4.10s in the rear can get a load moving from a stop much faster than a 3.73 TS 6.0.
The rest of the time, no.
The rest of the time, no.
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Second of all, Josh said his 2000 5.4 with 4.10 manual can pull the 6.2 gas engine off the line, and my 6.0 diesel. Look, I am with people that the v10 can pull a load, albiet at a higher rpm. But a 2000 5.4 will not be close to the 6.2, or 6.0, not even for the first 20 feet.
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With my gearing I can do 5 shiftings
before hitting 20 mph.
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I never got the whole thing with the love of the 460.
I own a 460 with a manual trans and 4.10s and I have driven a PI 5.4 with 3.73s and 4r100. The 460s gearing helps it up to about 15-20, but after that its either even or the 5.4 has the edge.
The 460 gets 6 MPGs towing a load the 5.4 can get 9 towing. It starts faster, its smoother, it does not fall on its face as the revs get higher and its all around just better.
The OBS trucks top gas motor is not even as good as the base SuperDuty engine, IMO.
I love the OBS trucks but they do not compare at all to a SD and the engines are the biggest reason for me. I do not get the poeple that go around claiming things like " Ford never built a real truck after 1996.".
I can't really say much though, I might still be talking about how the V10 is the greatest truck engine ever made in 20 years.
I own a 460 with a manual trans and 4.10s and I have driven a PI 5.4 with 3.73s and 4r100. The 460s gearing helps it up to about 15-20, but after that its either even or the 5.4 has the edge.
The 460 gets 6 MPGs towing a load the 5.4 can get 9 towing. It starts faster, its smoother, it does not fall on its face as the revs get higher and its all around just better.
The OBS trucks top gas motor is not even as good as the base SuperDuty engine, IMO.
I love the OBS trucks but they do not compare at all to a SD and the engines are the biggest reason for me. I do not get the poeple that go around claiming things like " Ford never built a real truck after 1996.".
I can't really say much though, I might still be talking about how the V10 is the greatest truck engine ever made in 20 years.
Of course it doesn't pull the trailer any more, they have a new F350 to do that, but it did it many years ago.
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Yeah, the damage was over $27K and they didn't want to fix it. So another FTE-er bought the wrecked truck and will be rebuilding it. Kind of neat how it worked out.
Love the new truck, but haven't gotten the chance to drive it in the last two weeks. Have been at a military school which goes for about 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. I'm done tomorrow and really looking forward to the long drive home!
Love the new truck, but haven't gotten the chance to drive it in the last two weeks. Have been at a military school which goes for about 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. I'm done tomorrow and really looking forward to the long drive home!
Congrats on the new truck then! I'm surprised that damage costs that much though.
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I never got the whole thing with the love of the 460.
I own a 460 with a manual trans and 4.10s and I have driven a PI 5.4 with 3.73s and 4r100. The 460s gearing helps it up to about 15-20, but after that its either even or the 5.4 has the edge.
The 460 gets 6 MPGs towing a load the 5.4 can get 9 towing. It starts faster, its smoother, it does not fall on its face as the revs get higher and its all around just better.
The OBS trucks top gas motor is not even as good as the base SuperDuty engine, IMO.
I love the OBS trucks but they do not compare at all to a SD and the engines are the biggest reason for me. I do not get the poeple that go around claiming things like " Ford never built a real truck after 1996.".
I can't really say much though, I might still be talking about how the V10 is the greatest truck engine ever made in 20 years.
I own a 460 with a manual trans and 4.10s and I have driven a PI 5.4 with 3.73s and 4r100. The 460s gearing helps it up to about 15-20, but after that its either even or the 5.4 has the edge.
The 460 gets 6 MPGs towing a load the 5.4 can get 9 towing. It starts faster, its smoother, it does not fall on its face as the revs get higher and its all around just better.
The OBS trucks top gas motor is not even as good as the base SuperDuty engine, IMO.
I love the OBS trucks but they do not compare at all to a SD and the engines are the biggest reason for me. I do not get the poeple that go around claiming things like " Ford never built a real truck after 1996.".
I can't really say much though, I might still be talking about how the V10 is the greatest truck engine ever made in 20 years.
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I've been asked many times why don't I just mod the 454, it'll make the power the V10 can... And while that might be true, the 454 won't even be close to as reliable as the V10 and the 3 speed tranny is no match for the 5 speed. And they still don't get it...
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First of all, that is not true, given my buddy has a 1995 that is built, upgraded injectors, exhaust, programmer, etc. He can almost pull with me, but he can't pull me off the line, and the shift to second he is done.
Second of all, Josh said his 2000 5.4 with 4.10 manual can pull the 6.2 gas engine off the line, and my 6.0 diesel. Look, I am with people that the v10 can pull a load, albiet at a higher rpm. But a 2000 5.4 will not be close to the 6.2, or 6.0, not even for the first 20 feet.
Second of all, Josh said his 2000 5.4 with 4.10 manual can pull the 6.2 gas engine off the line, and my 6.0 diesel. Look, I am with people that the v10 can pull a load, albiet at a higher rpm. But a 2000 5.4 will not be close to the 6.2, or 6.0, not even for the first 20 feet.
Actually I used the numbers from the 6.2. Johnny brought up the 6.0. Have you ever driven or towed with a 5.4 that has a manual and 4.10? Between me and a few of my cousins we have or have had an obs 7.3 with a manual and an auto, 2 SD 7.3's with manuals, 460 manual and auto, 6.0 auto, v10 auto and a 5.4 manual and auto. I have a pretty good idea how they all get a load moving.
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