I don't downshift at ALL going up Vail Pass. I'm in 5th gear at 1975rpms at 70mph, with a loaded bed. But towing an 8000lb trailer I'm in 4th gear at 2250rpms (roughly)

That said, by your statement I'd have to be in 2nd gear if he was in 1st. That's simply ludicrous.

 

That guy was towing 12,500 not 8,000, so what gear would you be in doing that? Also, since that is at 10,000' elevation you are essentially comparing a 6.4 to a 1996 4.6 at my elevation. We all know you drive on the road with one of the highest elevations in the United States. Even the v10 guys agree that comparison isn't good for the v10.

If that driver knew what he was doing he could have been in 2nd gear. It's not the trucks fault he is afraid to turn 4,000 rpms. You also can't say that you would have to be in 2nd if he was in 1st because you have different trannys. I can compare mine and Bill's because we have the same ratios other than my low, which is why I said "equivalent" gears. Your 2nd gear is almost the equivalent of that guys 1st. If he was in 1st you would have to be in your 3rd to be in the equivalent of his 2nd. Your 3rd is a 1.55 ratio and that guys 2nd is a 1.54 ratio. You have to go by the ratio, not the numerical gear. So it would be ludicrous for you to be in 2nd gear on that hill, but depending on the speed limit I don't think you hitting 3rd would be out of the question. You are comparing yours at 70 mph, this guy was going through 15 mph curves.

Edit-When I compare mine to Bill's and say that it has to be one gear lower to do the same job I am talking about engines from the same era. You are talking about a 2v v10 compared to a 6.4 at 10,000' elevation. So the one gear lower argument wouldn't apply there even if you did have the same tranny.

 

Not to help go over this again, but this is a V10 vs. PSD thread. Both are (were) available in the F-series and E-series. That "freight locomotive" is not even in the fruit family if you're going to compare apples-to-apples.

If you really want to get even close to a comparison, look at light marine craft diesel engine service. Say, 40 foot and under.

Most are gassers. Matter of fact, find any 25-foot-and-under boat with a diesel in it, and it's an older, 100% mechanical diesel. You will not find a newer-style electronically controlled diesel in any small marine vessel. I wonder why...?

 

Same reason diesels are not found in half ton trucks and rarely used in cars, diesels are more efficient in heavy duty service. Thanks for making another case for the diesel, mr. Moderator.

 

I'll take that without the sarcasm please

 

I thought sarcasm was a requirement to post in this thread... I take everything Josh says as sarcasm! Some people just like to lay it on a little thicker so it is easier to recognize.

 

Some people just can't believe what I say about my truck because they are comparing what I say to how their truck performed even though it was a totally different truck at a much different elevation Comparing how an automatic 5.4 gets a load moving at 10,000' is not the same as my manual 5.4 at 1,000-2,000'. At that elevation it is about 90 hp short right off the bat and then the gearing off the line isn't even in the same ballpark.

 

YOU said that in an earlier post, though I'm sure you were talking about your neighbors 1946 F-series...again...of course.

However, why don't you whip out you calculator and figure it out? Towing a 12,500lb trailer I'd be in 3rd gear going up Vail Pass. I'll assume. I towed an 11000lb trailer up to Silverthorne yesterday with a loaded bed, and 4 guys in the truck and it dropped down to 3rd, but didn't struggle at all. I was impressed. First time I'd moved that much crap up the mountain.

Care to guess what I passed going up the hill?...lol

 

No, I am not talking about a 1946 truck. And no I did not say it how you are taking it. What I am talking about is that when comparing SAME ERA trucks the gasser will be one gear lower than the psd to do the same job(since they have the same tranny gears and ratios). Like me comparing my truck to Bill's since they have the same tranny ratios and are the same era power wise. You are talking about a 6.4 vs a 2v v10, which have entirely different trannys as well as different levels of power. When comparing a 5 speed tranny to a 4 speed tranny you have to go by ratios, not numerical gears.

However, you said that with a bit more than 12,500 lbs your truck was in 3rd gear. The 2v v10 was in 1st. By your reasoning you are TWO gears ahead of him, but by the gear ratios you are ONE gear ahead of him since your 3rd is a 1.55 and his 2nd is a 1.54. Had he pulled it in 2nd and you pulled it in 3rd you would still argue that you pulled it one gear higher than him even though the ratios are the same.

Edit-since you took the time to cut out the part of the quote that explains what I was talking about, that clearly tells me that you read it and just didn't want to post it because you are trying to make it sound like I meant something that I didn't. So go ahead and post all of my reply if you are going to post any of it.

At first I said the gasser would need to be one gear lower than the psd and I assumed that you would understand that I was referring to gear ratios and not numerical gears since we had discussed this very same topic not too far back. When I realized that you did not understand that and you were going by numerical gears only, I clarified what I said. Even after me clarifying that I was referring to same era trucks power wise and gear ratios(not numerical gears) you still go pull some crap out about a 1946 model truck.

 

The easy way to deal with that behavior is to not reinforce it

 

I would guess that you passed a v10 going up the hill, but since you all don't have any up there, I assume it has to be something else. For Johnny to be lying for saying he saw 17 v10's up there, you sure seem to see/pass a lot of them with their flashers on.

 

Speaking of passing interesting vehicles, guess what I passed yesterday? A nearly new 6.4-powered truck on a slidebed tow truck. Not that that's news...

 

How about a new tundra being towed away by a V-10 SD tow truck.........I got a good chuckle out of that, I guess even "real truckers" find themselves being rescued by a Ford.

 

No, but if they were wherever you live, they'd probably be living there... Colorado has a major interstate called I-70 that runs right through the middle of America, transiting it. Considering there's only the 10, 40, 70, 80 and 90 that have any distance on them heading East to West, odds are some moron with a V10 would try to go the mountain route...lol

Yes, Johnny was fibbing (you said he was lying, not me)...

 

Johnny said he saw 17 v10's up there. Whether or not they live there or were just passing through doesn't matter. We have two major interstates that cross each other where I live too, so I see all sorts of trucks going through here. Just because they don't live here doesn't mean I didn't see them. I know what I-70 is too. I haven't towed anything there, but I spent a few weeks in Highlands Ranch with work and did some sight seeing while I was out there.

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