A 5.4 will definitely outpull a V10...just not a PSD. Phillips91 proved it...

 

A post like yours with this hypothetical gearing is pointless. The reason mine is not pointless is because my truck actually has what I am comparing it with and Mike's v10 and Andrew's 7.3 actually have what I am doing my comparison with. I'm not saying IF my truck had this and IF their truck has that, etc.

Thank you Bill. I even made a point of saying that if I ran into Mike's v10 with us already moving at highway speeds he would smoke me up the same hill because he wouldn't have to deal with getting the load moving. My point is that even though I have a less powerful engine I can get a load moving easier than the more powerful engine because of the gearing advantage.

That's right. You have never sat in my truck, so you can't say what it will or won't do. You don't hear me disputing the 23 mpg claims from the modded 6.4 because I have no idea what kind of mpg's a modded 6.4 can get. You don't hear me disputing the stock 6.0 claims of over 20 mpg's either. I said MOST of the 6.0's and 6.4's I know personally get xxx amount of mileage. I haven't seen every psd out there, so I am not going to call someone a liar if I haven't seen their truck myself. I have towed in a lot of states and a lot of different elevations, so I know what kind of mpg's my truck gets.

I out pulled the 7.3 in the video too. I think most people would consider it to be a psd.... I didn't even get close to the 6.0 or the 6.4 and have no problem admitting that.

 

90% (probably more) of the criteria in your posts are hypothesized.

 

Instead of hypothesized a better word would be realistic. The stuff I compare actually exists. I have yet to see an rc car with 4,500 gears (or a trailer hitch, or enough payload to hold a trailer, or high enough off the ground to keep the trailer from dragging, or strong enough axles to hold the weight, etc)

 

Most of the super duties today are basically remote control trucks. Is there anything on them anymore that is direct driver input?

I know to truely be a REMOTE control, you would have to be outside the vehicle, but how hard would be to connect wireless comms when everything is already controlled electronically?

Anyway, I bet it would be easier on the V10, so V10 wins!

 

I may be mistaken but I think he was referring to a regular remote control car like we played with when we were kids, not a normal vehicle that is controlled by a remote.

 

I know... I was just saying that because Top Gear did some stuff driving remote controlled cars off cliffs and stuff, as in real cars. When you started talking about how an RC car doesn't have all that stuff, that was what popped into my head.

On a side note, I always wanted a nitro methane RC car... lol

 

C'mon now, don't make me dredge up the gearing posts where you kept saying "if" (hypothesized) truck y had x gears then it would put down z hp and x1 lb/ft of torque...You should work for the Federal Reserve...with your calculator you could make it seem like China owed us billions.

 

LOL I think the whole point is you didn't outpull anything, as you were what, 750 miles away? That video means nothing and to say you outpulled anything is funny.

For MPG, I really don't trust a lot of what I read. I think when people quote high mpgs, most are quoting the instant when cruising after various speeds, not the average for the tank. Which even the average can be off. Like a few tanks ago, I calculated 21.3, well I top of the tank by over a gallon, my wife that time did not, so less gallons were put in,increasing my mpgs. Of course the next tank read 15.5 and it was obviously low because I topped off the tank like normal.

I can't remember what year your 5.4 is, but the 2002 5.4 in the f150 is rated 11/15. That is the old ratings which was always high and in an f250 it will get less because of the weight and higher profile. Can you take a video with you getting 14 mpg towing 3.3k? That would be meaningful. LOL LOL LOL

 

I did say "if" this truck with this gearing and compared to a truck that has this gearing. The thing is, those trucks actually exist. I am not coming up with gearing that does not come on them stock or is out of the realm of possibility. It's not like I said if you take a v10 with a 10.85 rear end gear and a 20 speed tranny or something like that.

 

If that 7.3 or v10 had been on my hill or I had been on theirs the results would have been the same. The fact that I was 400 miles away doesn't change the fact that they got stuck at 25 mph and mine didn't.

If you read the other thread Art was talking about, Jac is claiming to average 22-23 mpg's out of his 6.4 over 6,500 miles. That is the highest number I have ever heard, but I am not going to call him a liar because I have never driven his truck and don't know anyone with a 6.4 that has the exact same mods that he does.

If you want to come ride along with me for a few tanks I would be more than happy to show you. The majority of f150's came with an automatic and 3.55 gears, so comparing their fuel mileage to mine is not the same.

 

Hypothesis: a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

Care to show me where one can't hypothesize using established facts? Most hypothesis' are formed using one or more known criteria. That's what you're doing, and that's what I said you're doing.

I won't be an @ss and say "You need to learn to READ my posts before responding".

 

Hypothetical has different meanings and is different than a hypothesis though. Here is one definition of hypothetical.

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b. Conditional; contingent.

My tests are based on fact, but are contingent on the trucks having certain gearing.

 

Hypothetical is based on a given situation...However, when you use more than one variable, (several different trucks, and compare it against one known truck to form a theory or opinion) you are HYPOTHESIZING.

e.g. *My 5.4 is more powerful than a V10 with a strong wind behind my back, while going downhill and the V10 is going up a hill, into a headwind* is hypothesizing even though all of those conditions could be met. Same with different gears on different trucks, versus your *extremely powerful* 5.4.

Hypothetically speaking, if your 5.4 made so much power, you'd prove it by finding a V10 with the gearing you specify and having a tow-off.

 

I love sitting down in the morning with a cup of coffee and reading this thread it always makes me chuckle and give me a good start to the day.