Blah... it was to early in the morning

I use the forums until I wake up enough to do actual work.

 

Yea, I fell for the Magnaflow setup (full setup from the headers to the tailpipe) back in 2002 and a CAI on a vehicle. I actually LOST 3hp. Both the CAI (K&N) and Magnaflow blamed the other for the loss, so I put the stock airbox back on it, and there was no diff. I sent Magnaflow the dyno slips and they agreed to buy it back. They also threw in *not all vehicles will see the same gains we do* which made me wonder "why not"? There's not that big a difference between the engines off of an assembly line. K&N on the other hand refused to buy back their CAI even after I showed a 5hp LOSS on the dyno with the exhaust replaced...(Guess the Magnaflow actually gave me a whopping 2hp gain?) Ford actually puts effort into designing their intake and exhaust systems.

I can see a CAI helping a diesel with some turbo and injector work for sure. Most of the bolt on crap is snake oil though, just like the chips. I've never seen a chip on a gasser do anything without a lot of other work done on it. Diesels are the same, albeit easier to upgrade. If you look on the box (at least the Edge diesel ones) there's a teeny tiny asterisk on the side of the box and in the manual that reads along the lines of *300hp gains on level 6 require upgraded turbos, injectors and fuel pumps. Most people just flip it to "6" belch a ton of smoke and think they make a trillion hp, and a zillion lb/ft of torque with no other changes.

I put an Edge Evolution on my 2008 5.4 F150 and it didn't do squat other than change my shift patterns. On the advice of others I sent it off and spent another $300.00 for a black cover and a gryphon badge that didn't do squat either.

Just sayin...

Diesel WINS!!

 

[quote=ChargersFanInCO;9099418] I've never seen a chip on a gasser do anything without a lot of other work done on it. /quote]
That's what happens when you buy stuff from the wrong people.
JL

 

[quote=Johnny Langton;9099427]you don't know what you're talking about...I'm saying you can "tune" until you're blue in the face, but these vehicles are putting out all you're going to get out of it without doing some drastic engine work. I suppose you'll say if you take the PCV valve out, the V10 gains 400hp, huh? Feel free to waste your money on Edge, Gryphon, Bulldog, SCT, or whoever you want. I don't care. I'm just trying to keep people from wasting a ****-ton of money like I did. I used to have access to a dyno as my neighbor was a performance mechanic and we were friends. I dyno'd before and after. changing the shift patterns was great and helped, but at WOT runs in 3rd and top gear, the Gryphon/Edge didn't do a damn thing.

 

My opinion is not based on manufactures dyno charts, I agree those are all BS. The only thing those are good for is to wipe poo. I am basing my opinion on other that have dynoed their trucks before and after putting this stuff on.

In general, both the 3V and 2V are a little responsive to better intakes, the 2V is responsive to exhaust systems and the 3V is not. The theory is that Ford had to open the exhaust system up to make use of the higher RPM 3V heads.

Both can eak a little power out with a tuner (combined with other after market items), but that only really helps if you have improved intake and exhaust. Since the 3V does very little with exhaust, the tuners can only help a tiny bit. But the 2V can improve with both intake and exhaust, so a tuner is worth a little more in that case.

But yes, manufacture dyno are worthless, but some people have seen actual gains from after market parts on dynos, not estimated, particuarly on the 2V V10.

 

A chip made a very noticeable improvement on my 09 F550 V10. A chip alone knocked a full second off my stock 2000 Lightning (5.4 SC) when I had it. So, if you get the right gasser tune, it will make a nice improvement.

 

I could see a more aggressive tune working on a lightning, or a Mustang GT as the engines are already beefed somewhat. Putting on a stock 5.4 is useless though. Do you have before and after dyno slips on your V10? Not the manufacturer one...We both agree those are B.S. A changed shift pattern will make it *feel* like it's making more power, but the dyno's don't lie.

Diesel WINS!!

 

Actually, an exhaust does a lot for diesels, especially when mated with a tune. Here is why. When mine was stock, I got outpulled up a mountain pass by a semi. The reason, it was over 100 degrees out and my EGTs were ridiculous high so it cut out fuel to keep EGTs in check and I could only go 50 mph. The exhaust dropped my EGTs by 200 degrees, and the tune does not cut out fuel unless you tell it too. I have not pulled that pass in the same conditions since my mods, but I should easily be able to go 15 mph faster based just on the 200 degree drop in EGTs.

So an exhaust does not increase horsepower per say, but you can definetely work it harder and be cooler.

 

Proper tuning, not "cookie-cutter off-the-shelf one-size-fit-all" crap tuners will yield a noticeable gain. I've proven it with factual data, as have others.
You got took by purchasing the crap you have in the past, there's nothing anybody can do about that, but to claim that none of them gain anything is false.
JL

 

Again, you don't know what you're talking about, but that's ok, I'll educate you...a GRYPHON is a CUSTOM TUNE done by Power Hungry Performance, who is a sponsor of this ****ing website.

 

The 4.6L in a Mustang GT is internally IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY to every other 4.6L . The ONLY internal difference in a Lightning 5.4L and a regular N/A 5.4L used in every other truck made was the pistons.
You are basing you "knowledge"( I use that word loosely) off of assumptions and off of a single experience on one vehicle with one manufacturer's cookie-cutter garbage.
Nothing is more "beefed up" or otherwise better than the others.
JL

 

I'll agree with it dropping the EGT's if there's a header to start with...I'm talking about the 5" pipes every redneck on the planet is so fond of along with a muffler delete. It would void the warranty on mine if I do anything in front of the DPF though.

 

Being a sponsor of a website tells me nothing more than somebody knows how to write a check. There are "site sponsors" all over the internet that couldn't tune a lawnmower, much less a complicated control system like Ford uses. They know nothing more than to apply a value file and make little adjustments to that without knowing the exact science behind what they're changing, and how it affects the rest of the control system.
JL

 

The lightning is blown...just for starters....

The 4.6 in the mustang and the 4.6 in the F150 have all sorts of different goodies too. that's why they have different hp/tq ratings.

 

No ****...all the tuners are the same way, which was my point all along. I'm just saying you have to send your chip into Gryphon to get a custom tune. you said it was an off-the-shelf "Cookie Cutter" product.