Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

Gas vs PSD

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 10:33 AM
  #5971  
2001400ex's Avatar
2001400ex
Elder User
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 685
Likes: 0
From: Spokane, WA
Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
You're insinuating that I tow at 55-60 mph.
Last time I checked-you were not in my truck when I was on vacation.
JL
LOL, not insinuating anything, though you sound bitter... you can argue things about the 6.0, but you are not going to say the v10 comes close to the 6.0 in mileage.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 10:37 AM
  #5972  
Johnny Langton's Avatar
Johnny Langton
Postmaster
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,171
Likes: 12
From: SE Texas
Originally Posted by 2001400ex
LOL, not insinuating anything, though you sound bitter... you can argue things about the 6.0, but you are not going to say the v10 comes close to the 6.0 in mileage.
Did I ever say that?
JL
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 10:38 AM
  #5973  
jac08f250's Avatar
jac08f250
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 696
Likes: 1
From: Melissa TX
Originally Posted by 2001400ex
LOL, not insinuating anything, though you sound bitter... you can argue things about the 6.0, but you are not going to say the v10 comes close to the 6.0 in mileage.
Wouldn't you be bitter too if you made a mistake and bought a v-10? And he will come up with any excuse or so call fact saying his v-10 is better then your 6.0 in every way.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 10:51 AM
  #5974  
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
Thread Starter
|
Modular motor junkie
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 6,190
Likes: 8
From: Texas
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I "borrowed" my truck for 2 days before I bought it and if it was getting 12 driving down the road, I would have avoided it. Of course, most of my driving is longer distance, on fairly flat ground as the mountains are on my left heading North. BTW, my 6.4 gets the same mileage sitting at a traffic light as the newest Toyota Prius model.

I finally drove a 7.3 yesterday to pick up lunch as I had a 16' trailer behind mine with a broken landing leg. Sorry to all the 7.3 owners, but if yours is stock, don't try and come after a 6.4. You'll get embarrassed. To those who have never driven a 6.4 and think it's like a 7.3, or has the same power or less, you really need to drive one...Then this thread would die, or get renamed the 7.3PSD vs V10 thread.
I know that a 6.4 is nothing like the 7.3 that I have driven.
I also know that the 3V V10 is nothing like my 2V.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 11:37 AM
  #5975  
ChargersFanInCO's Avatar
ChargersFanInCO
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,313
Likes: 0
From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Originally Posted by bill11012
I know that a 6.4 is nothing like the 7.3 that I have driven.
I also know that the 3V V10 is nothing like my 2V.
lol...I went from a 2V 5.4 to a 3V 5.4 in F150's and there's not a whole lot of difference...Hell, none that you could feel...

However, the standard board logic dictates that a 7.3 and a 6.4 are both diesel, therefore, they must be the same...(but they're not even close)
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:06 PM
  #5976  
phillips91's Avatar
phillips91
Postmaster
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 4
From: Rogersville, TN
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
lol...I went from a 2V 5.4 to a 3V 5.4 in F150's and there's not a whole lot of difference...Hell, none that you could feel...

However, the standard board logic dictates that a 7.3 and a 6.4 are both diesel, therefore, they must be the same...(but they're not even close)
Below 4k rpm there isn't any difference between the 2v and 3v(the 2v actually makes more low end power). Above 4k rpm and they aren't even close. It's just hard to convince a diesel guy that holding one at 4-5k rpm up an 8-10 mile climb is not going to blow anything up and that turning 4k rpm doesn't mean an engine is weak.

I don't think anyone on here has argued that a 7.3 is even in the same ballpark as a 6.4 when it comes to power.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:21 PM
  #5977  
Jrfish007's Avatar
Jrfish007
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I "borrowed" my truck for 2 days before I bought it and if it was getting 12 driving down the road, I would have avoided it. Of course, most of my driving is longer distance, on fairly flat ground as the mountains are on my left heading North. BTW, my 6.4 gets the same mileage sitting at a traffic light as the newest Toyota Prius model.
Uhmmm... that's great... but you'll use more fuel when the light runs green. And as you average 10-15 mph down the road, you'll use quite a bit of fuel.

As for a truck getting 12 mpg, it doesn't bother me. We've already mentioned, I drive 4.5 miles one way, 9 miles round trip per day. It makes that 9 mpg that get really easy to figure out how much gas I use But really, the difference between 10-12 mpg and 15-17 isn't that big of a deal to me Let not forget we are driving trucks that are close to 4 tons, it's not like I was expecting to get 40 mpg and got 5.

Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I finally drove a 7.3 yesterday to pick up lunch as I had a 16' trailer behind mine with a broken landing leg. Sorry to all the 7.3 owners, but if yours is stock, don't try and come after a 6.4. You'll get embarrassed. To those who have never driven a 6.4 and think it's like a 7.3, or has the same power or less, you really need to drive one...Then this thread would die, or get renamed the 7.3PSD vs V10 thread.
I had a 7.3, and yeah comparing power the 6.0 and 6.4 blow it away in stock form. The major advantage was reliability and tunablity. You could tune the 7.3 to preform very well with very little effort and still have a reliable truck. The 6.0 and 6.4 could be tuned, but at the cost of reliability. (and now I'll here about the single guy who ran 5Billion hp for 2 million miles without a problem, but in general the 6.0 and 6.4 lost what reliability they had when tuned). From what I gather, a modestly tuned 7.3 would keep up with a stock 6.0 or 6.4 and be pretty reliable.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:28 PM
  #5978  
Lead Head's Avatar
Lead Head
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,868
Likes: 9
From: Rhode Island
Actually from what I've seen, 6.4 reliability goes up with tuning, as you delete troublesome emissions components.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

 Brett Foote
story-2

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-7

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:31 PM
  #5979  
Jrfish007's Avatar
Jrfish007
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
lol...I went from a 2V 5.4 to a 3V 5.4 in F150's and there's not a whole lot of difference...Hell, none that you could feel...

However, the standard board logic dictates that a 7.3 and a 6.4 are both diesel, therefore, they must be the same...(but they're not even close)
It's hard to say what the difference was since the 3V V10 was also coupled with an additional gear in the tranny.

I had many 3V 5.4's in F150's with the 4 speed tranny, and my buddy's 3V 4.6 with a 6 speed would blow them away. I had 4.10 and he has 3.55 too.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:32 PM
  #5980  
Jrfish007's Avatar
Jrfish007
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Originally Posted by Lead Head
Actually from what I've seen, 6.4 reliability goes up with tuning, as you delete troublesome emissions components.
true, I was referring to engine tuning though (electronic plug in tuners). But your point is very true.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:34 PM
  #5981  
Jrfish007's Avatar
Jrfish007
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Originally Posted by phillips91
Below 4k rpm there isn't any difference between the 2v and 3v(the 2v actually makes more low end power). Above 4k rpm and they aren't even close. It's just hard to convince a diesel guy that holding one at 4-5k rpm up an 8-10 mile climb is not going to blow anything up and that turning 4k rpm doesn't mean an engine is weak.

I don't think anyone on here has argued that a 7.3 is even in the same ballpark as a 6.4 when it comes to power.
If it's going to blow my engine up, theirs will blow up from holding full boost up that same mountain.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:35 PM
  #5982  
ChargersFanInCO's Avatar
ChargersFanInCO
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,313
Likes: 0
From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Originally Posted by Jrfish007
Uhmmm... that's great... but you'll use more fuel when the light runs green. And as you average 10-15 mph down the road, you'll use quite a bit of fuel.
But I'm getting 18mpg, so that's a lot better than 10-15...There's another thread that covers the 6.4 now, and there are several of us in the 16-18mpg range, so it's not a fluke...Air the tires up to 70 (max is 80) and keep up with traffic...
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:36 PM
  #5983  
ChargersFanInCO's Avatar
ChargersFanInCO
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,313
Likes: 0
From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
Originally Posted by Jrfish007
If it's going to blow my engine up, theirs will blow up from holding full boost up that same mountain.
I go up a big-*** mountain all the time, and the V10's are in the truck lane half the time just because they don't want to use 1/2 a tank of gas getting to the top at redline.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:40 PM
  #5984  
Jrfish007's Avatar
Jrfish007
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
But I'm getting 18mpg, so that's a lot better than 10-15...There's another thread that covers the 6.4 now, and there are several of us in the 16-18mpg range, so it's not a fluke...Air the tires up to 70 (max is 80) and keep up with traffic...
Re read what you just quote, it wasn't 10-15 mpg, that was 10-15 mph. I doubt you will get 18 mpg averaging that speed in stop in go traffic that I drive in.

My buddy get 12 mpg. And the guys that live in my apartment complex get about the same with their 6.4's, so it's no fluke either. I have no doubt that under different conditions they could get 16-18 mpg, just not here with these roads, in this traffic.
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2010 | 12:44 PM
  #5985  
Jrfish007's Avatar
Jrfish007
Elder User
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: WV
Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
I go up a big-*** mountain all the time, and the V10's are in the truck lane half the time just because they don't want to use 1/2 a tank of gas getting to the top at redline.
well yes, the V10 does use some gas when towing, I get about 8 mpg. Again, I don't tow enough for it to bother me though.

You don't think you're using more fuel going up the mountain? The more boost you use, the more fuel you use too.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:46 PM.

story-0
10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

Slideshow: 10 ways Ford is losing to the competition

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-15 09:52:01


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

Some great targets in today's expensive world.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-15 09:35:19


VIEW MORE
story-2
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-4
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-6
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE