Yeah funny how the v10 guys talk tough in here but are quiet when it comes down to a test. Any v10 guys around Spokane or Colorado?

 

The 7.3 in the test had some issues with the engine smoking and the v10 had some issues with being a 3.73 and automatic, but as far as I know the 6.0 was running as it should.

Actually, that test is real world for me. The road I was on is the road leaving my house. Every time I pull a trailer, it goes up that hill. As far as a test like you mention, I did one like that twice weekly for about 3 years. There is an 8% grade that is 10 miles long nears Princeton WV. A test like that would actually favor the gasser though. If I hit it at 65 mph I can downshift 2 gears in my 5.4 and be in my powerband while my 7.3 can only downshift 1 gear and is already close to the redline.

Edit-For about the 300th time, I don't think anyone in here has ever said that a v10 will outpull a psd up Vail Pass. We are all in agreement on that.

 

Anyone around TN/WV wanna take on this 5.4? LOL

 

Interesting real world advice there from folks who rely on their trucks for business. Hmmmmm doesn't sound like weekend warriors, I am confused.

 

I have been racing a long time and I have won a lot of races and I have lost some too. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. The difference is, if I win I don't laugh at the other guy and tell him his car/truck is junk like some people in here. Tom, Mike, Matt and the other guys all managed to get together and make a fun day out of it regardless of the results. I don't think the same could be said if we had a get together in Spokane or Colorado.

If any of the guys I mentioned want to come down and make a day out of it, they are more than welcome to. They can bring a 6.0, 6.4, 4.6, v10 or whatever they want to and we can hang out and have a cookout at my house afterwards.

 

I'm writing this very slowly as I know most of you cannot read very fast, but here's my basic point. Venture over to one of the diesel forums on this site and see if you can find a trend in the posts. "My 6.0 doesn't run", "my dealer wants $ (fill in the blank) to replace the 6.4 in my new (and newly broken) $50,000 SD", "my diesel is leaking, smoking, whatever". The list goes on and on and on and on every single day, yet still everyone acts like diesel engines are the end all-beat all engine. Now go over to the V10 forum any time and what do you see? A couple broken exhaust studs? Where I live, trucks work for a living and the stories of broken diesels of any brand or type (yes, even 7.3's) are fairly common. I have never met or seen any broken V10's in anything. I know they exist (somewhere) because there's always that guy that can break a ball bearing with a rubber hammer, but a challenge ANYONE to visit ANY FORD DEALER ON THE PLANET and see what they work on more often, diesels or V10's. Then you know why I don't own one. Then look under the hood of any modern diesel and you'll find out why I never will own one.

 

Very wise words from a true sportsman racer.

 

Man, this is all fun and games. I poke my head around in and out of this thread, mostly having fun. I am more of a put up or shut up kind of guy, you say your v10 or 5.4 or psd is better, let's load up and go. I am appreaciative of the guys that put together the first couple tests, but I don't think any of them are good tests, I mean putting a 6.4 against a 2000 v10 isn't fair to the v10.

And I think the v10 has its benefits, but pulling a mountain pass at 6,000 ft elevation in 100 degree heat and trying to go 240 miles between fill ups is not one of them, at least from the one v10 I have been around.

Another benefit of the psd... I am going to Canada this weekend to my buddy's condo. He has a Titan and a 6k pound boat and the condo is right on the lake. He was debating whether to bring the boat because "man, I will get like 10 mpg, that will cost me piles more in gas." I said, I got your back, I will tow it home and will probably get 14 or so mpg. It is mostly flat 60 mph driving. Let's put it this way, he didn't sqauk at that offer. LOL His Titan gets about 15 unloaded, which is about 3 mpg better than the v10 I was around.

And yes, it would be fun to have a towing session here, win or lose...

 

And it appears some are incapable of reading at ALL...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...th-my-v10.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...-mis-fire.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...lant-loss.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ld-you-do.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...rm-starts.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/3...hhhh-help.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...-no-power.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...-now-what.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...e-problem.html

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/6...ling-head.html

Now, 6.4 territory...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...our-6-4-a.html

And the ONLY problem on the first page is...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ied-on-me.html

The only issues the 6.4 had was back in the 2008 MY...systemic issues which were fixed when MY 2009 came out. Yes, **** still blows up, but hey, the studs on the V10 have been going on for OVER TEN YEARS!!

 

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Thats farther than I am willing to drive.
Y'all both have newer trucks, so you need an 05 or newer v10 to run with anyway.

My trucks older but it will run circles around any PSD of the same gen. as it.

 

I am too, which is why I made a video of my 5.4 on an even steeper hill than the one they did their test on. The only reason we didn't do it on the same hill with the same trailer is because I am not driving 420 miles one way to do a 50 second video. Every couple of years I get up to Ohio to visit relatives and watch a Reds game and I would be more than happy to stop in and hang out with the guys for a day and do some tests.

I don't think many people would argue that when you are talking 6-10k' elevations the psd is the way to go. Thing is though, only a very small percentage of the population lives or drives at that elevation. 33 states don't even have a peak elevation of 6k' and two of the ones that do are states very few people will visit. Even a lot of the states that have peaks over 6k', most of the state is below 1k'. Like Tennessee. Our peak is 6,643' but our average elevation is 900'. The average elevation for the US is 2,500', which means there is a whooooole lot of flat land out there when you average in the Rockies.

 

[quote=bill11012;9097715]Bill, I see your signature was changed back... LOL My buddy had a 94 PSD 1 ton, without even as much as an intercooler, and I am sure it would have no problems with your v10, even a generation older...

 

How would a 215HP, 425 TQ first gen 7.3 PSD out pull my 310HP 435 TQ 2V V10?

You add in the fact that I can rev so much higher and run a lower gear, the diffrence in Torque at the rear wheels would be huge.

 

The first one is a guy that put a lower octane gas in than he wanted to and was just asking if it could cause problems, not that it did cause problems.

The second one the guy said it didn't run right one day, but was running normal the second day. No updates on what the problem actually was.

Third one is the same guy that put the wrong gas in it and he can't figure out his coolant loss. He clearly states there is no smoke, no coolant in the oil, etc. So not an engine issue.

Fourth one is a guy saying his friend borrowed his truck and changed the oil while he had it and he wants to know if he should take the junk fram filter off that his friend put on. Not an issue of any kind.

Fifth is a rattle that hasn't been located. Could be anything.

Sixth is an exhaust manifold bolt that rusted.

Seventh was bad plugs(they do wear out from time to time) and vacuum regulator.

Eight was a guy not knowing how to drill out a broken off bolt and screwed his head up.

Ninth was one with over 200k miles that he got for "dirt cheap" and it broke a valve spring. Without knowing the maintenance history, who knows.

Tenth is the plug problem, which I agree is a design flaw.

I hope you're either kidding or the truck isn't close to stock. I have a 97 psd and it won't even run with my 2v 5.4, much less a v10.

 

Holy crap this thing is still going. IMHO which wont mean didley to most, stock for stock no programmers no mods, I think a 2005 or newer V10 (3 valve) with stock 4.10 or 4.30 gears would give any of the PSD a good run when towing. It wont get the mileage the PSD gets but the maintenance will make up for it. As for reliabilaty, my '04 v10 90,000 miles, so far oil changes less than $20.00 each, serpintine belt, knock on wood, no broken exhuast studs, no plugs blown out, never been in the shop. PSD or V10 the SUPER DUTY FORD F250/350 is the best Pickup ever built. Thats why I bought one, and would never even consider a Dodge or Chevy.