Gas vs PSD
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From: Melissa TX
I'm still waiting on why you want my vin#. And if I return everything to stock which doesn't take more then 3 hours how would they know if I put any aftermarket thing on? You v-10 guys aren't that bright. Go worry about your own truck and I will worry about mine.
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I wouldn't compare a Dodge to a Ford period. Dodge's best engine's aren't even made by them (i.e. Cummins) and the rest of the truck is as cheap as a McDonalds toy.
In fact my daughter just got a Dodge truck door in her happy meal, but I told her to toss out of the window before it got rust all over my Ford.
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I would love to see a v-10 get the power and mpg I do now with the mods I have. I get over 20 mpg on the hwy and will get my truck dyno this saturday and will probably make 500 rwhp maybe more and 1000-1100 rwtq. And that is with only a tuner, exhaust and CAI. Can a v-10 do that?
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That's strange. When I went to the dealer in Pittsburgh they had at least 10 6.0 sitting on the lot. I bought my truck in Ohio too (before I moved to WV). They had to go to New York to get it. I see 6.0 leakers and early 6.4 cab lifter all the time for sale around here (and I live a whole 5 miles from PA). I also see V10's pop up on occasion, and yes they are cheaper, but guess what? They the initial cost is less, about $7k less so they should be cheaper.
Why do people brag about the fact their truck will sell for more when they initially paid more? That's like a guy in a high end Benz pulling up next to a Cobalt and saying his car will sell for more. Okay... who cares? You paid more, you get more for resale...
BTW, I pull a 3 horse trailer with a 12' living quarters, and the V10 does just fine with it.
Why do people brag about the fact their truck will sell for more when they initially paid more? That's like a guy in a high end Benz pulling up next to a Cobalt and saying his car will sell for more. Okay... who cares? You paid more, you get more for resale...
BTW, I pull a 3 horse trailer with a 12' living quarters, and the V10 does just fine with it.
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Wow do you even know what truck I have? Look in my sig, and yes I can get 500 rwhp with the mods in my sig.
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Um.....Ok I will. Since I've done it before and I left aftermarket stuff on before and got stuff under warranty and even got a state inspection with no cats on my 2000 GT mustang. But I will keep telling myself that cause it's true. Man just admit it, you're jealous.
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I wouldn't compare a Dodge to a Ford period. Dodge's best engine's aren't even made by them (i.e. Cummins) and the rest of the truck is as cheap as a McDonalds toy.
In fact my daughter just got a Dodge truck door in her happy meal, but I told her to toss out of the window before it got rust all over my Ford.
In fact my daughter just got a Dodge truck door in her happy meal, but I told her to toss out of the window before it got rust all over my Ford.
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NADA-'08 F250 4WD Crewcab XLT with the most common option and 300K miles:
Retail with the 6.4L-$32,625
Retail with the 6.8L-$26,625
That's a $6K difference.
The 6.4L would depreciate MORE than the 6.8L does over the same timeframe since it costs $7K more than the 6.8l does.
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You live in a fantasy world.
NADA-'08 F250 4WD Crewcab XLT with the most common option and 300K miles:
Retail with the 6.4L-$32,625
Retail with the 6.8L-$26,625
That's a $6K difference.
The 6.4L would depreciate MORE than the 6.8L does over the same timeframe since it costs $7K more than the 6.8l does.
JL
NADA-'08 F250 4WD Crewcab XLT with the most common option and 300K miles:
Retail with the 6.4L-$32,625
Retail with the 6.8L-$26,625
That's a $6K difference.
The 6.4L would depreciate MORE than the 6.8L does over the same timeframe since it costs $7K more than the 6.8l does.
JL
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6.4L-$26,475
6.8L-$21,075
$5,400 difference.
It's worse if you go back to '05 models:
Same configuration(4WD, CC, XLT, 300K miles):
Retail:
With the 6.0L-$23,450
With the 6.8L-$18,625
$4,825 difference
Average trade-in:
6.0L-$18,050
6.8L-$13,700
$4,350 difference
No matter how you look at it-the diesel still brings less than the initial "investment" in the diesel purchase.
Whether you like it or not, NADA book values are what you'll get from the dealer on trade, and are what they price the vehicles at on the lot before they start the "negotiating" process.
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We brag about the price doesn't depreciate as much as a gasser. If you had a 300k mile v-10 and a 300k mile psd I would get more then the 8k dollar difference when the trucks were brand new. That is why people would brag. Plus the psd would sell alot faster then the v-10 with that many miles on it. And your v-10 might bull your trailer just fine but a psd would pull that trailer perfect.
That is not what I have observed. Perhaps were you live, but in Ohio and around me now, PSD depreciate at a faster rate than gassers, specially 6.0 leakers. The 6.7 might be different, but only time will tell. I would like to an example of what you are talking about though. I have yet to see 2 similar trucks (i.e. same model, same year, same cab/bed) with a PSD and V10 around 300k being sold. Most V10 owners know that when it comes to stupid high mileage, the bad mpg will kill you. Most people who choose the V10 won't drive 100k per year, so finding your hypothetical situation is a rare occurrence.
The more likely occurrence is that you'll find a 300k PSD maybe 5 years old and the same truck with V10 with 50-60k miles on it. And they will probably sell for about the same price. But try to find the two trucks with say 75k and 5 years old, tell me they will have an $8k difference. It will be closer to $4-5k, indicating the PSD has actually dropped in value at a faster rate.
The only PSD that has held it's value really well is the 7.3, your theory is a carry over from the 7.3 which doesn't apply to the 6.0 and 6.4. I have seen 7.3's with well over 100k miles sell for more than 6.0's with 50k miles. the 7.3 has held it's value far better than the 6.0, 6.4, or 6.8 V10.
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Yeah, I know. But with the 6.7 I can say that
Now I just have to hope the 6.7 is actually a good engine 
The thing is that the rest of the truck isn't made from cardboard. Ford actually backed that engine with a good truck. Comparatively, the Dodge's had recall for a fualty frame around that same time. They actually built a 2500 that couldn't support it's own weight...
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I saw the mods in your sig, and still am not convinced you can double the power from your engine with just that stuff. But I'd be happy to say I'm wrong, post up a dyno sheet.