Here is one way to look at it..... most all cars have gone to electric fans....they make electric fans for ford diesels..... you go to electric fan to free up horsepower and gain fuel milage right????? most electric fans pull 20 to even 60 amps of power. It has to help or they would still use belt driven fans. please correct me if i am wrong.

 

An electric fan may or may not be more efficient than a belt driven one. It just depends on several factors -- like any other set engineering trade-offs, there's nothing magic about it. One reason I see for the popularity electric fans is the move to front wheel drive on so many cars. Another is that (for better or worse) they can be easily controlled by a computer.

Anyone else remember the corvair and how you had to be careful not to rev too high to keep the fan belt from being thrown?

 

dave s.on youre hho gen.how did you scuff youre plates.i think that is why mine is so low on output.or it could be that the battery i was useing wasnt being charged by an alternator.

 

I used a 14" metal cut off saw blade, just drew the plates across the sides of it while running.

One pass on the left side, one pass on the right side, then flip the plate and repete the process again on both sides.

Wound up with a nice cross hatch arc pattern on both sides of the plates.

I did use my truck battery while the engine was idling for my power supply.

If I remember my numbers right, 1 HP = 746 watts
746 watts /12 volts = 62.16 amps
Using a generous allowance for loss you can run 2 generators drawing 20 amps for less than 1 HP draw on the motor.

I got tired of waiting for some parts I had ordered, so I am changing my design again.
Hopefully I gan run tests again this weekend with the new design.

 

Sorry guys i have not read this whole thread but i do have some info that is available.

1) My friend did electrolysis of water for a science fair project that was used to make explosives using the hydrogen and oxygen. He used graphite rods to pass the electricity through (which to his knowledge and understanding of much research was the best probe or rod used to create electrolysis). It turns out that it took something like 5 minutes using a 120v out let to make enough to fill up a regular balloon. It took about 15 minutes using a motor cycle battery to make the same volume, and at the end the motor cycle battery was completely drained. He also used salt with the water to speed it up. In the end the water looked like a polluted ocean (very green and murky). Hope this helps some it is just some information, take it or leave it.

Adam

 

I hope your friend knew what he was doing. Putting salt in water for the purpose of electrolysis will cause chorine gas to be produced (corrosive and toxic) This also means that part of the energy that was consumed went to producing that green stuff instead of brown's gas. Sub mariners lived in constant fear of salt water getting to the batteries of early U boats....although they did have other things to fear as well.

 

Dont forget that an alternator is only about 50% efficient at normal driving speeds, so a 500W load will create a 1,000W load on the motor, etc. not including other small losses from the bearings and belt drive, etc.



Well thats a common misconception. Everyone seems to thing that switching from a clutch fan to e fan will save them like 10% gas mileage or something, but it wont unless the factory clutch fan was extremely lossy or not working right. Clutch fan that work properly is pretty efficient direct drive. To use an electric fan the energy goes through two different conversions, originally rotational energy from the motor into electrical energy from the alternator (50-60% efficient) and then back to rotational energy from the fan motors (70-90% efficient). As I have said in the past I have gone from using a stock clutch fan to no fan at all and saw no change in mpg with temps in the 45-80 degree range. Electric fans were primarily used for sideways mounted engines for FWD vehicles since it wouldnt be practical for a mechanical fan there. E fans have other benefits like constant (or controllable) RPM, less wear on water pump and bearings, and being able to continue to cool a hot radiator after the engine is shut off, etc. but the way I see it if someone claims a big gain after switching then either there mpg estimates are off (didnt fill it all the way at the pump, etc) or else there clutch fan wasnt working right.


BTW, how much does propane injection improve mpg with a diesel? I cant really see hydrogen being that much better, but I suppose the HHO gas does have the benefit of the added oxygen.

 

Hi guys,
I have been reading this post for a while. Just have to pipe in and add my 2 cents now. I just completed building a 14 cell HHO generator and have it installed on my 2002 F250 7.3L 4x4 longbed supercab. I have a Hypertech programmer and have it programmed on stage 2. I just did a 100 mile MPG test and went from 12.5 to 17.5 highway miles driving 70-75 miles per hour. That was Tuesday, Today i did another and acheived the same 17.5 MPG. My truck has never seen more than 13MPG and that was downhill with a strong tailwind!
My HHO generator is (2) 7 cell units each containg 2.5Gal distilled water with 4 TBLSPN potassium hdroxide. They produce 4.5 -5LPM of HHO measured with a Dwyer 0-10LPM gauge. The plates i used are 316L, 20GA stainless 3" x 5.5", aggresively sanded to produce more HHO and spaced .187 apart in each cell, (14 plates total in each unit)
I am running it at 35amps and it stays at about 110 degrees. One of the first things i noticed was my truck has more pep and is smoother idling because of the HHO. After idling for about 5 minutes the smell of diesel diminishes also.

I have spent the last 2 months researching Hydrogen technology and building a generator and the associated electronics that will make it perform at is most capable output. I am waiting for a Lawtom D1400 PWM unit that is being built for me. When it arrives i expect to greatly improve my HHO output and subsequent fuel mileage

I laugh at the comments that HHO is a falacy. there allways seems to be "nay sayers" no matter what the subject matter.

You can view my HHO generators on you tube at this link:
YouTube - 14 cell hydrogen generator

Just my 2 cents!

 

Very nice setup!

Any information that you can share with the group would be great.

 

truly bad ***, keep up posted and the more ino you can provide the better i am glad to see one be put to use. do you have a list of materials you used? cost?

 

Very nice milehigh! I'd love to see a pic of it installed....nice video though! Why did you space the cells so far apart?

 

milehighhydroguy, do the newer diesels have any type of O2 sensor. I know the O2 sensors on gas engines have to be "tricked" or they counter act the gains made with HHO.

I've done extensive research the past couple months on HHO. I did read an article on the production and at what point HHO saturation had no further effect injected with diesel. Problem is I didn't save that one and am having a hard time finding it again. A lot of the information is in pdf format and protected by the authors. You can download the pdf but can't copy any info for a quick line reply.

Most naysayers ignore or forget that we are only supplementing the combustion process, NOT attempting to run on HHO alone!

 

Hello all,

I just purchased the water 4 gas instructions and plan on installing a unit in my 78 F250. Anyone here set one of these up on an older truck?

Thanks,
Matt

 

From what I understand, it should be pretty easy on your truck because your truck has a carburetor and you don't have a computer that adjusts your fuel based on sensor readings. A buddy of mine is in the process of building one of those units.

With that said if anybody wants that manual for free (sorry Mestrell) I have it! With the pdf zipped up, it is 7.63mb so you have to be able to receive large files in your email or I could post it on one of those file sites if anybody wants it. Oh I also have another one labeled "Run a car on water". I'm happy to share these if anybody wants it......as long as it's not breaking any rules here!

 

If it's the tube in a tube design, good luck finding the proper sized tubes. Check out: http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/ the plans are free, and the parts are readily available.