Um......that is a link to some company trying to sell a different form of fuel mileage enhancers! I'm not saying HHO works yet, but I would expect a competitor to negate it! Just my 2cents..........

 

i beleive it would be impossible to use pure hho as it does explode,but at the levels were talking about,used to enhance fuel mileage it would be so deluted in the deisel/air mix that it could not cause a problem,no way no how..wayne

 

At best a diesel is about 80% effecient on the fuel burn.

So that means at least 20% of the fuel is going out the exhaust.

The explosive characteristic of hydrogen will help the flame spread through the cylinder and burn more of the fuel, which is currently going out the exhaust pipe.

Trying to produce enough hydrogen to replace the fuel completely, is not the intended end result.
Trying to produce enough hydrogen to burn all of the fuel injected into the cylinder is what I am after.

If I can clear my exhaust when I stomp the throttle, it is going to be a wild ride.

 

Well said Dave.

If anyone doesn't think it will work, they don't have to try it.

 

Exactly,if i can gain 20% fuel economy buy using hho as a catalyst to help fuel propagation then why not,go from 20 mpg to 24 mpg is worth while to me,at todays fuel cost it can mean a substantial savings over the long haul,, happy HHO mov'in that piston up and down...wayne

 

From what I read about Hydrogen, a vehicle running straight hydrogen needs the timing to be set at Top Dead Center because the flame front moves so fast, so adding such a small amount might be causing more of the stock fuel (drawn in or injected) to burned more efficiently thereby increasing the mileage through better efficiency and requiring less throttle, rather than replacing the fuel itself.

I have so many unfinished projects right now adding another is not possible, but like always, if I see anything I could use to make a HHO system, I'll grab it and save it for the day I can add another to the list of active projects.

So keep brainstorming and experimenting guys, and I'll keep taking notes.

 

Well if we don't wash away, and I can get to the hardware store tomorrow, I should have the rest of the parts needed to assemble test stage 2 on my unit.

We are down to one road in and out of town right now, and it is still raining.

 

A guy at work is building one that he says will give 60% better fule economy. Its simmilar to David85's except smaller and very enificiant. I said no way 60% but he swears every thing he read said 30%-60%. After more questions I found out that every thing he read was on one website that was selling generators simmilar to the one he built.

Remeber if you read it on the internet it must be true

P.S Dave don't float away I'm looking forward to see how your generator works out.

 

isn't hydrogen produced from a flooded lead acid battery? can this gas be harnessed and used? how much hydrogen does a battery produce? it should be simple to hook a rubber line up to the vent on a battery. or could you use an old battery for the hydrogen generator? could you get a new battery dry with no acid? it would have plates installed. i have seen these hydrogen generators made using battery acid instead of other chemicals.

 

The amount of hydrogen produced by a battery would not be enough to do anything.

As far as using acid, that does the same thing as using an alkaline solution.
It causes the water to become an electrolyte which conducts electricity better.

Ph scale goes from 1 to 14.
7 is neutral 1 is acid and 14 is alkaline.

So if you have sulphuric acid in a strong enough solution, the Ph is 1.
Now you go to the other extreme and mix potasium hydroxide with water till you reach Ph 14.

The potasium hydroxide solution is corrosive and will burn you just like sulphuric acid will.

It has been to long since chemistry for me.
What you have to consider if you were to use say sulphuric acid as the electrolyte is what gas is produced and what compounds are formed on the electrodes when the generator is working.

Just like using table salt to make the electrolyte, yes you produce hydrogen, but you are also producng chlorine gas.
Colorless, oderless and deadly poison.

If I remember right, the acid in a lead acid battery is the strongest when the battery is charged.
As it is discharged, the lead attracts the SO4 to become lead sulfate, the acid solution loses concentration and hydrogen is released.

Then when you charge the battery again, hydrogen sulfide is released, the acid regains strength and the sulfides are released from the lead plates.


Bottom line, using either acid or alkaline solutions does create an electrolyte solution.
And either one is corrosive and dangerous, use caution when you are working with chemicals.

My parts did not come in this week, may be because of the flooding.
I am thinking about putting it back together and making some wiring changes, I can see two different ways I can change what I have right now to try for better production rates.

 

i just put together a smack booster and am wondering if the hydrogen at an idle will be too much and cause detanation?

 

What kind of production numbers are you getting?
Did you do the stainless wall plates in the same configuration?

When I measured my production I used a 5 gallon pail full of water.
The take a two liter bottle full of water with the top down in the pail.
Now take your generator discharge hose, stick it in the bottle neck and time how long it takes to make a bottle full of gas.

My best so far is 1 liter in 45 seconds, which is not enough in my opinion.
My goal is 5 or 6 liters per minute as a minimum, more if possible.

You should use a relay to stop gas production at idle.
A limit switch on the IP linkage which triggers the relay to start gas production as soon as the throttle is applied would be easy to hook up.

Compression alone will not ignite hydrogen.
Unless your timing is very advanced I do not think detonation will be an issue.

 

well i had a brain fart.when i got everything today,i forgot lye.so in the morning i'll get some and try it.my timing is factory spec.acording to my buddy at the ford dealer,he's been there since '79 so he knows the idi's.a microswitch and relay is a good idea,hadn't thought of that.i'll post some numbers when i get them.

 

I've got a question about temp limit switch. Where is a good placement for it and what is a good switch to use? I ask because I am not sure if I want a switch in my electrolyte solution during electrolysis. Things tend to grow on metal and electrodes during such processes and render them inoperable or at least inaccurate and ineffective. I have been pondering this question for some time. Has any one tried graphite as electrode? The first eletrolyzer I saw as a was at NASA during a tour and it used what looked like carbon arc rods but that was over 30 years ago.

 

dave,i got a whopping 1/2 liter in 4 minutes something has to be put together or mixed wrong.o well,gotta go to work now i'll mess with it later.