The HHO injection thread
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From: Marianna, Florida USA
RARE_1, I've been thinking about what should be monitered. If you had an adjustable constant current power supply, you would not need to worry about anything else. If the unit gets hot, the current will be reduced which should reduce the heating. If the water runs low, the system will simply slow down production. If the output current could be automatically controlled up to the maximum that would be manually set. The TPS signal could be used via a follower circuit if you have an AT, you can add a TPS if you have a MT.
The limit on temperature is the water that would leave as vapor and not be broken down into HHO. I would set it at around 180deg F. Actually an snap switch like is used to control the warmer portion of a coffee maker should be about right. You could always bypass it if you decide it's a problem.
The limit on temperature is the water that would leave as vapor and not be broken down into HHO. I would set it at around 180deg F. Actually an snap switch like is used to control the warmer portion of a coffee maker should be about right. You could always bypass it if you decide it's a problem.
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
The temp limit switch needs to cut the power off before the boiling point is reached.
That value would be different relative to altitude.
Slightly under 212 at sea level, and reduced from that the higher you live.
When I was living in Colorado I drove up to Mt. Evans, the highest paved road in the world.
Over 14,000 feet you can stick your finger in boiling water and leave it there.
Nice scenery, bad place to use water to cook.
Never did get the corn on the cob to cook.
The water boiled away and the corn was still raw.
Very interesting trying to open a can of pop, and actually getting a drink also.
That value would be different relative to altitude.
Slightly under 212 at sea level, and reduced from that the higher you live.
When I was living in Colorado I drove up to Mt. Evans, the highest paved road in the world.
Over 14,000 feet you can stick your finger in boiling water and leave it there.
Nice scenery, bad place to use water to cook.
Never did get the corn on the cob to cook.
The water boiled away and the corn was still raw.
Very interesting trying to open a can of pop, and actually getting a drink also.
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From: Central Ohio
Hmmm.....
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I think anyone that thinks this is "free" energy is an idiot. Strong words but I think it fits here.
What I see it as is using excess energy (electric) to make the combustion process more efficient and effective. By completely burning all of the fossil fuel we are able to stop the waste. We are talking about a fairly closed system so it will be really easy to see if there is any change. If we use less fuel, we are ahead. If we use the same or less, it's a load of.......use your imagination. For a few dollars we can try it. If it works OK, I plan to build a more advanced system for a couple hundred or so. If I can squeeze a few MPG out of the system, that's good enough for me.
Now, I can get the Stainless for nothing so I'm ahead of the average. I checked out the SS plates but they are like $4 each here so that adds up fast for a test system. I will just wait till I get the free stuff.
So, if you think it's crap, please feel free. If you have some facts, good or bad, please share them. If you're on the fence, watch this thread and see what others do.
What I see it as is using excess energy (electric) to make the combustion process more efficient and effective. By completely burning all of the fossil fuel we are able to stop the waste. We are talking about a fairly closed system so it will be really easy to see if there is any change. If we use less fuel, we are ahead. If we use the same or less, it's a load of.......use your imagination. For a few dollars we can try it. If it works OK, I plan to build a more advanced system for a couple hundred or so. If I can squeeze a few MPG out of the system, that's good enough for me.
Now, I can get the Stainless for nothing so I'm ahead of the average. I checked out the SS plates but they are like $4 each here so that adds up fast for a test system. I will just wait till I get the free stuff.
So, if you think it's crap, please feel free. If you have some facts, good or bad, please share them. If you're on the fence, watch this thread and see what others do.
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Update......I just found out a buddy of mine has full access to lots of 18ga. ss scrap at work and is cutting it for me this week! So if everything goes according to plan, I will be testing my new design this weekend! I mentioned to him that I will be sanding a cross hatch pattern on each side once I get it and he asked what about a swirl pattern? He said he could swirl it before he cuts it.....what do you think? Also, he asked about aluminum....would aluminum work? I told him I did not think so, but I could say why.....LOL Remember.....this stuff is over my head.......Could one of you guys answer that question? Thanks!
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I don't think aluminum would work much better than carbon steel. It lasts well in the elements, but when exposed to corrosive solutions it can actually get eaten away faster than steel if the conditions are right.
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Update......I just found out a buddy of mine has full access to lots of 18ga. ss scrap at work and is cutting it for me this week! So if everything goes according to plan, I will be testing my new design this weekend! I mentioned to him that I will be sanding a cross hatch pattern on each side once I get it and he asked what about a swirl pattern? He said he could swirl it before he cuts it.....what do you think? Also, he asked about aluminum....would aluminum work? I told him I did not think so, but I could say why.....LOL Remember.....this stuff is over my head.......Could one of you guys answer that question? Thanks!
Swirl, Crossed and Aluminum.
I think the issue with Aluminum may be the length of time it would last due to the fact that it is a softer metal.
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From: Marianna, Florida USA
Aluminum reacts with a base to produce HH and Aluminum Oxide. As it does, it will eliminate the electrolyte. Even if you start out with baking soda, it will happen since the BS will be reduced to NaOH that will react with the Aluminum. A really rough surface is what you want. the gas will form on the peaks and float off more easily than a smooth surface. Engine tirned with a carbide hole saw would be slick.
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
The aluminum will not last long in the strong alkaline solution.
At the aluminum extrusion plant I used to work at, they used sodium hydroxide to clean the extrusion dyes after use.
Granted that solution was stronger than what we are using, but the excess aluminum in the dye was eaten out in just a few hours.
At the aluminum extrusion plant I used to work at, they used sodium hydroxide to clean the extrusion dyes after use.
Granted that solution was stronger than what we are using, but the excess aluminum in the dye was eaten out in just a few hours.
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
Gold is pretty soft and it is very stable. It has nothing to do with how hard or soft the material is. Its about the chemical properties of the material.
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From: Joliet, Illinois
Curious thing posted about Hydrogen???
A funny thing I found here about cracking Hydrogen from water and use as a fuel.
First off, I have yet to attempt any testing with this technology, but believe there is something beneficial to it's use, and the results posted here by some is encouraging.
It's here.
BrightGreen Inc. means Conservation
And here is the interesting part I found.
And the hydrogen absurdity of course ignores the severe detonation problems with hydrogen because hydrogen always explodes. We encountered severe detonation in the mid 70s by introducing explosive hydrogen into V-8 engines at JPL. Hydrogen burns eight to ten times faster than gasoline. It virtually exploded and put holes in the middle of pistons in a Ford test engine. Its octane rating approaches zero. Besides that, spending four or five times more energy to get a little bit of so-called mileage boost from water is stupid. Water is the END product of combustion. It cannot burn. No way, no how. Yet there are naive people who still fall for this nonsense. Check this out with any chemist or physicist for yourself.
First off, I have yet to attempt any testing with this technology, but believe there is something beneficial to it's use, and the results posted here by some is encouraging.
It's here.
BrightGreen Inc. means Conservation
And here is the interesting part I found.
And the hydrogen absurdity of course ignores the severe detonation problems with hydrogen because hydrogen always explodes. We encountered severe detonation in the mid 70s by introducing explosive hydrogen into V-8 engines at JPL. Hydrogen burns eight to ten times faster than gasoline. It virtually exploded and put holes in the middle of pistons in a Ford test engine. Its octane rating approaches zero. Besides that, spending four or five times more energy to get a little bit of so-called mileage boost from water is stupid. Water is the END product of combustion. It cannot burn. No way, no how. Yet there are naive people who still fall for this nonsense. Check this out with any chemist or physicist for yourself.