Hi All
Spent the last couple weeks with an ugly flu/cold so the only thing that I have to add is a couple web links that might be of interest. Sure would like to be able to play with a Shelby for a while.

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Hydrogen Powered Commodore

Some interesting reading.

 

Thanks for the links. They were very interesting.

 

twtcad,
Here is the drawing I revised last night.



Top and bottom rods connected to power, no connections to the ones between them.
With 13.6 volts applied to the red and blue rods, the current differential between the adjoining rods should be 2.77 volts.
The little < on the right side of the generator indicate where you should see the differential current readings even though there are no electrical connections to the rods.

When the solution of electorlyte is strong enough that your current draw is about 18 amps, you should be making about 1.7 liters of HHO per minute if the numbers I derived from the smack booter site are true.

As I said in the PM, the biggest difference I see is the smack booster has about 1/16" between plates, but with a stronger electrolyte solution even though your distance is greater between rods, I think you can get the same production rate at the same amp draw.

Just out of curiosity, what electrical connection rod is turning which color in the generator?
Are the grey rods negative and the brown rods positive?
Hydrogen production is the negative rod.
Oxygen production is the positive rod.

 

Dave I'm not understanding your drawing The top and bottom are power and the rest aren't conected? I must be missing something?

 

That is correct.

Read this link, starting at the top of page 14.

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.pdf

Page 16 has a simple diagram that has one set of plates and shows the relative voltages across the pairs.

Looking at the drawing from an electrical point of view, you should be able to use one plate for the center non connected plates.
One side of the plate will be positive and the other will be negative relative to the adjoining plates charge.
The unwanted flow of current around the sides may make that design less effecient though.

My first experiment will use the second drawing in post #164 to get a base HHO production rate.
The second experiment will be drawing one in the same post, which will tell the story on unwanted current flow with either increased or reduced production rates.
I also want to do a test with every other plate connected to the positive or negative power source and get a production number that way.

From what I have read since I was posting a while back, I think the production rate will be highest with the alternating plates attached to the power supply, but I think the temperature of the cell will get out of control in a short amount of time.

Having a generator that has a stable operating temp is just as important as having one that produces large amounts of gas, in the long run the temperature is probably more important unless all your trips will be very short.

A larger generator will stay cooler longer, but then you run into where you can install it.

A radiator would cool it, but then you are getting complex with plumbing, and the caustic solution makes that even harder to deal with.

The basic design that twtcad used with the pipe layout is exactly what I was going for after I started drawing out generator configurations, with the gas exiting the center of the generator.
Hills, slowing and speeding up and corners should have little effect on the fluid level with that design.
It would also be very easy to strap a bubbler on the side of the vertical tube.

 

Thanks Dave I'll check out that link.

 

I am drinking beer and testing my over sized "Smack" unit right now. It is over sized because instead of 12" long it is 18" long for the extra capacity. He says the electrolyte should be KOH or NaOH. I was not able to procure either so I went with baking soda at first. I was only able to produce 1 liter every 7 minutes. Not enough as I understand. I am now hooked up with Drano, as I also found it was mostly NaOH 65%. It had metal chips which I poured out. The unit has been running close to 30 minutes. I will post my results later.

"Don't try this at home" Don't mix initial trials of an HHO generator and large amounts of beer. I am a trained beer drinker! And Cigar smoker. LOL

 

That sure sounds fun

 

drink'in beer and make'n HHO gas,i live in florida which way should i look for the mushroom cloud

 

Mine is 24" tall with 24 switch plates arranged into 2 set of 6 pairs that I am runng 12 volts accross. Mine is foaming away as we speak. I put plastic between the pair sets that rub against the wall of the tube and down toward the bottom and up to the top to prevent current leakage bypassing the active plates. It's been running for about 3 hours. It's getting pretty warm. I'm going on the hunt for some KOH first thing Tuesday morning.

 

Toward the East side of Tampa Bay!!!! BOOM

I don't feel good about using Drano for very long.... But my first attempt using 2 tea spoons per gallon yeilded 1 liter per 4 minutes. Drawing around 15 amps and no damage to my plates. I am now Using 4 Tea spoons per gallon yeilding 1 liter per minute and a half at 30 amps right off the bat. I am still running with this solution so I expect the amps to increase over time and 30 amps was my max design. Gotta get another beer, Later

 

Hope you left the cigar in the house.

Beer, HHO and cigar does sound like a recipe for mushroom cloud.

Don't want to see Tampa Bay on CNN after while with a story about some big explosion.

 

Yeah, I'd hate to loose the first gut to break 1L per minute.


Please keep us posted, gumboluvr. It sounds like baking soda is not even worth wasting time with.

 

Dave.....the - rods are gray and the + rods are a brownish color. Thank You for all your math on this and your thoughts......I'll try your diagram Sunday and I just got home from our day trip.

 

Seems to mey the positive rods are rusting. I'm guessing the oxygen beeing produced if well oxidizing them. this would also explain your brownish yucky water. Stainles will solve the problem, once you get it producing the way you want it.