IHC "Blue" CPS
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Back on 1/26/06 I posted a question(s) (https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...45#post3346845) and no one seemed to address it (by the way - Thanks 'JT' for the only post about it) So I'll re-word it.
1. How long has the Blue CPS (...C92 VS C93) been around?
2. Has it been around long enough to get some warmer weather results?
3. Does anyone have any feedback about the 'Blue CPS' in a loaded weight configuration/pull VS unloaded proformance?
I know that my driving history (10 to 12k miles a year [due to budget]) overall I wouldn't make a break even point any time soon. If I could see an advantage year round, then the installation in the cold and snow (on my back in the driveway) would be worth it. But if I'm only going to see an advantage for another month or two from now I gotta wonder if it is worth it to FREEZE to death?
I like the idea of the HPX, I can't see a downside (cold/hot) - More Oil has got to be better (unloaded/loaded) RIGHT?
Again Thanks JT for the post and if "I FAILED" to see other posts - 'Thank You' and I'm sorry I didn't give you credit.
Please Help me One and/or All with your feedback.
1. How long has the Blue CPS (...C92 VS C93) been around?
2. Has it been around long enough to get some warmer weather results?
3. Does anyone have any feedback about the 'Blue CPS' in a loaded weight configuration/pull VS unloaded proformance?
I know that my driving history (10 to 12k miles a year [due to budget]) overall I wouldn't make a break even point any time soon. If I could see an advantage year round, then the installation in the cold and snow (on my back in the driveway) would be worth it. But if I'm only going to see an advantage for another month or two from now I gotta wonder if it is worth it to FREEZE to death?
I like the idea of the HPX, I can't see a downside (cold/hot) - More Oil has got to be better (unloaded/loaded) RIGHT?
Again Thanks JT for the post and if "I FAILED" to see other posts - 'Thank You' and I'm sorry I didn't give you credit.
Please Help me One and/or All with your feedback.
Last edited by John970; Feb 2, 2006 at 03:59 AM.
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Somewhere in the previous 22 pages somebody posted on the poor reliability of these units. I need to replace my current CPS really really soon, and just for reliability alone the black CPS would be worth it. Anybody have more specific info on reliability?
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Originally Posted by Fords4Me
Somewhere in the previous 22 pages somebody posted on the poor reliability of these units. I need to replace my current CPS really really soon, and just for reliability alone the black CPS would be worth it. Anybody have more specific info on reliability?
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JTharvey is right on that one. I snooped around at tds to see what they thought about the failure rate, and they were at total ends. IH techs over there said they rarely have to replace them as they are the new and improved cps that replaces the stock one. Who knows.. All I can say, BLUE SPX + HPX LINE = big smile on daddy's face.
I will post back my mpg when I get through 2 tanks.
I will post back my mpg when I get through 2 tanks.
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PSNut, that was testomony from one person here. There are tech from IH on other forums saying the complete opposite. I am not saying either is lying or nothing of the sort, but there is not enough statistical data to make a conclusion either way. Could be where Blown works purchases from a cheaper distributor. Could have been a series of bad batches. Just like there has only been one instance here of a failed blue cps so far. Maybe that was just bad luck- maybe it is junk. I like what it has done for my truck, but if it turns out to be crap, i will go back to stock.
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Originally Posted by empiretc
PSNut, that was testomony from one person here. There are tech from IH on other forums saying the complete opposite. I am not saying either is lying or nothing of the sort, but there is not enough statistical data to make a conclusion either way. Could be where Blown works purchases from a cheaper distributor. Could have been a series of bad batches. Just like there has only been one instance here of a failed blue cps so far. Maybe that was just bad luck- maybe it is junk. I like what it has done for my truck, but if it turns out to be crap, i will go back to stock.
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Originally Posted by jtharvey
I don't think reliability has been an issue. We've had I believe only one Blue one fail prematurely. And there was a post placed in some other forums asking about the blue one failing early, with no responses to early failure. You might read the last 3 pages or so of the post and one called "Blue CPS Junk" to find the most current info. There's always going to be an argument that they will fail early, but most of the evidence that has been gathered here points to then NOT failing early.
Originally Posted by blown99
The blue cmp sensors fail at a rate WAY greater than the black sensors that normally go in your engine. I believe I mentioned this earlier in this thread. We probably sell and install 1-2 blue sensors a Day and a black sensor every six weeks. Navistar is constantly changing the blue sensor to try and get better reilability out of it.
I apologize if I posted for something equivilent to "Revos or BFG" or "Which Shocks"
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Originally Posted by Fords4Me
I did attemp to stay on topic....
I apologize if I posted for something equivilent to "Revos or BFG" or "Which Shocks"
I apologize if I posted for something equivilent to "Revos or BFG" or "Which Shocks"
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How new is this CPS? If I take the advice of blown99, I'd stay way clear.
From all I have read on this topic, the worst that anyone has gotten on return from this upgrade is no improvement, for the same money as a stock unit. Seems like a no brainer. I guess I'll just have to spend more of my boss' money on further research into failures if there are any.
Harvey- thanks, reading your post I thought you were saying there wasn't a post in this thread about it.
Blown99- Got more details to support your post? I don't have a spare hundred to buy a stock spare.
From all I have read on this topic, the worst that anyone has gotten on return from this upgrade is no improvement, for the same money as a stock unit. Seems like a no brainer. I guess I'll just have to spend more of my boss' money on further research into failures if there are any.
Harvey- thanks, reading your post I thought you were saying there wasn't a post in this thread about it.
Blown99- Got more details to support your post? I don't have a spare hundred to buy a stock spare.
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I Don't Think I've Seen Any Improvement Since Installing The " Blue " Csp.
I Installed Mine Because I Was Hoping It Would Last Me Longer Than The Original. I Was Thinking That Because Of The Stronger Magnet That It Would Last Longer.
However After Installing One I Have Now Read Some Negative Posts About This.
I Guess My Main Concern Now Is : If I'm Not Really Helping Any Thing Then..... am I Doing Any Damage To My Engine By Using The Blue Cps Or Should I Put My Original One Back In And Save The Blue One For A Spare.
I Do Know This: The Original Cps Will Fail Eventually Because It Did It On My Previous Truck As Well As My Brother's Truck And Many Others That I Know Personally.
I Installed Mine Because I Was Hoping It Would Last Me Longer Than The Original. I Was Thinking That Because Of The Stronger Magnet That It Would Last Longer.
However After Installing One I Have Now Read Some Negative Posts About This.
I Guess My Main Concern Now Is : If I'm Not Really Helping Any Thing Then..... am I Doing Any Damage To My Engine By Using The Blue Cps Or Should I Put My Original One Back In And Save The Blue One For A Spare.
I Do Know This: The Original Cps Will Fail Eventually Because It Did It On My Previous Truck As Well As My Brother's Truck And Many Others That I Know Personally.