IHC "Blue" CPS
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From: Rio Rico, AZ.
Originally Posted by Fords4Me
Kwik, I hope you didn't take that wrong. The #'s and you xplanation were on the money. I am Impressed.
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From: Rio Rico, AZ.
Originally Posted by aklim
So what would you do if you were doing heavy towing like a 8000+ lbs toy hauler?
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From: Hartford, WI
Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
Whatever yields the lower EGT's, I think. IMO that would mean less wasted energy going out the tailpipe.
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Wow, an overwelming amount of information, Seems like one thing is for sure, nothing is for sure with this CPS thing. Probable next thing to do is test several of each to see how close the manufacturing tolerences are, may be that is the difference. Just saying, i'm no tech wizard, very impressed with the postings.thanks
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Personally, I have decided against it because I already have a new black one and a spare. However, I WILL continue to read up on it because the wealth of information and technical know-how is mind blowing! (Not to mention, because of this thread I have decided to get the HPX mod next.)
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From: Refugio, Texas
I'm Glad I Took Mine Out ( Blue One ) .... Took It Out Yesterday. I Don't Know If It's All In My Head Or What...... But It Seems To Start And Run Better With The Black One.
Now ..... To Save Myself Some Frustration,..... I Will Try Not To Click On This Thread Again..... But It Will Be Hard To Do.
Now ..... To Save Myself Some Frustration,..... I Will Try Not To Click On This Thread Again..... But It Will Be Hard To Do.
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Originally Posted by Powerstrokedlariat
(Not to mention, because of this thread I have decided to get the HPX mod next.)
I still have second thoughts on keeping bluey, but the money has been spent and I dont think I could even return it to dpp.
I ran the hpx with the black one and it did quiet down the truck a bit. When I installed the blue it was that much more noticable. My friends have freaked out at how quiet the animal is. I am still tracking mpgs.
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From: Central CA
Originally Posted by aklim
So has anyone documented what the EGTs were with blue and black with a heavier load? If not, what is your suspicion? I'm trying to decide if I should change to the blue or return it and get the black. TIA.
I'm more and more convinced that the results you will see with the blue are very mod dependent. I have the Banks six-gun which is a very fancy 10k mod. This mod effectively advances my timing a bit because the better atomized fuel burns quicker. The blue CPS slight retards timing which brings me back to close to stock timing but with a more volatile fuel charge that burns faster and cleaner. The Blue CPS works very well with my current mods.
I'm going to be getting a PCM from Jody with the 60hp tow program soon. I will them be putting the Black CPS back in. Jody's tunes change far more parameters than what just a 10k mod does and are based on the timing of the stock CPS. Changing the cps with his programing changes all the parameters and you get a very different outcome.
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From: LA and CO
Guys,
I've been following this thread and here's some basic, generic info. The CPS is nothing more than a magnetic pickup. Diesel engines have had them for years...... Do some searching on the net for it and you'll find good descriptions.
Basically a stronger magnet equates to a stronger (actually smoother) frequency signal that is given to the computer. Smoother signal means that the computer can track minute RPM changes better allowing it to better know the proper amount of fuel and timing to send to the engine.
We deal with mag pickups on a daily basis here at work on large diesels on offshore workboats. It's a real simple principal and I thought I'd share this with you since some of you still seem to be confused as to why the "blue" CPS works better than the "black" one.
BUT, you still need to take into account that the air gap will affect the signal. I'm willing to bet that if you properly set the air gap on the "black" CPS you'd see the same improvement as swapping in a "blue" one. We see it all the time with improperly set airgaps on the large diesel engines. At work we measure teeth on a flywheel and not holes in the reluctor.
Just some useless/useful trivia for you guys. Hope this helps....
I've been following this thread and here's some basic, generic info. The CPS is nothing more than a magnetic pickup. Diesel engines have had them for years...... Do some searching on the net for it and you'll find good descriptions.
Basically a stronger magnet equates to a stronger (actually smoother) frequency signal that is given to the computer. Smoother signal means that the computer can track minute RPM changes better allowing it to better know the proper amount of fuel and timing to send to the engine.
We deal with mag pickups on a daily basis here at work on large diesels on offshore workboats. It's a real simple principal and I thought I'd share this with you since some of you still seem to be confused as to why the "blue" CPS works better than the "black" one.
BUT, you still need to take into account that the air gap will affect the signal. I'm willing to bet that if you properly set the air gap on the "black" CPS you'd see the same improvement as swapping in a "blue" one. We see it all the time with improperly set airgaps on the large diesel engines. At work we measure teeth on a flywheel and not holes in the reluctor.
Just some useless/useful trivia for you guys. Hope this helps....
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http://www.blackclouddieselperforman...products_id=86
Click on this link and you will see! Supposed to really make a difference in smoothing out the engine.
Click on this link and you will see! Supposed to really make a difference in smoothing out the engine.
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From: Hartford, WI
Originally Posted by Powerstrokedlariat
http://www.blackclouddieselperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=86
Click on this link and you will see! Supposed to really make a difference in smoothing out the engine.
Click on this link and you will see! Supposed to really make a difference in smoothing out the engine.
http://www.itpdiesel.com/store.php?c...on=show_detail
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From: Slatington, PA
Originally Posted by John7894
.....BUT, you still need to take into account that the air gap will affect the signal. I'm willing to bet that if you properly set the air gap on the "black" CPS you'd see the same improvement as swapping in a "blue" one. We see it all the time with improperly set airgaps on the large diesel engines.....
........Just some useless/useful trivia for you guys. Hope this helps.....
........Just some useless/useful trivia for you guys. Hope this helps.....
Thanks