IHC "Blue" CPS
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Talked to a dealer diesel mechanic foreman, and he says the CPS is just a reference point for the #1 cylinder, and the computer uses it to do its thing. Regarding the blue CPS (he has not seen one yet!), it may be a newer design for the 466 engine, and just color coded so you don't get them mixed up with the 444 design. Regarding extra performance, he can't figure why it would let your engine perform better. But as long as it fits, and not too long to hit the crankshaft it should be OK (the 466 has a slightly different crankshaft). He also says to change out your CPS at 60000 as a preventitive maintenance. He also mentioned the 444 CPS has been upgraded. The old version used to last only 40000 miles, and the newer ones can go 100000 miles.
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Originally Posted by Hello
Talked to a dealer diesel mechanic foreman, and he says the CPS is just a reference point for the #1 cylinder, and the computer uses it to do its thing. Regarding the blue CPS (he has not seen one yet!), it may be a newer design for the 466 engine, and just color coded so you don't get them mixed up with the 444 design. Regarding extra performance, he can't figure why it would let your engine perform better. But as long as it fits, and not too long to hit the crankshaft it should be OK (the 466 has a slightly different crankshaft). He also says to change out your CPS at 60000 as a preventitive maintenance. He also mentioned the 444 CPS has been upgraded. The old version used to last only 40000 miles, and the newer ones can go 100000 miles.
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From what he's told you, I can assume he is typical of a Ford dealership diesel mechanic, i.e., almost clueless. If those guys spent as much time actually researching these engines and trucks as we do here on FTE, he would know a lot better than that! And that's his job!
Most of what he told you is just plain bunk! I won't get into it unless someone asks, but as an example, the International DT466 has a RADICALLY different crankshaft. It's a six-cylinder engine, for goodness sakes! And the sensor wouldn't hit the crankshaft, anyway, it senses the camshaft position. And it couldn't even hit the camshaft, either, as it senses the rotation of the camshaft drive gear and that's the only thing it comes close to.
Preventative maintenance on a CPS? Maybe some dielectric grease on the contacts. Carry one in your glove box.
Gee, did I say I wouldn't get into it?
Pop
Most of what he told you is just plain bunk! I won't get into it unless someone asks, but as an example, the International DT466 has a RADICALLY different crankshaft. It's a six-cylinder engine, for goodness sakes! And the sensor wouldn't hit the crankshaft, anyway, it senses the camshaft position. And it couldn't even hit the camshaft, either, as it senses the rotation of the camshaft drive gear and that's the only thing it comes close to.
Preventative maintenance on a CPS? Maybe some dielectric grease on the contacts. Carry one in your glove box.
Gee, did I say I wouldn't get into it?
Pop
Last edited by SpringerPop; Jan 11, 2006 at 11:16 AM.
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Originally Posted by SpringerPop
From what he's told you, I can assume he is typical of a Ford dealership diesel mechanic, i.e., almost clueless. If those guys spent as much time actually researching these engines and trucks as we do here on FTE, he would know a lot better than that! And that's his job!
Most of what he told you is just plain bunk! I won't get into it unless someone asks, but as an example, the International DT466 has a RADICALLY different crankshaft. It's a six-cylinder engine, for goodness sakes! And the sensor wouldn't hit the crankshaft, anyway, it senses the camshaft position. And it couldn't even hit the camshaft, either, as it senses the rotation of the camshaft drive gear and that's the only thing it comes close to.
Preventative maintenance on a CPS? Maybe some dielectric grease on the contacts. Carry one in your glove box.
Gee, did I say I wouldn't get into it?
Pop
Most of what he told you is just plain bunk! I won't get into it unless someone asks, but as an example, the International DT466 has a RADICALLY different crankshaft. It's a six-cylinder engine, for goodness sakes! And the sensor wouldn't hit the crankshaft, anyway, it senses the camshaft position. And it couldn't even hit the camshaft, either, as it senses the rotation of the camshaft drive gear and that's the only thing it comes close to.
Preventative maintenance on a CPS? Maybe some dielectric grease on the contacts. Carry one in your glove box.
Gee, did I say I wouldn't get into it?
Pop
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From: Monterey Park, California
Originally Posted by SpringerPop
From what he's told you, I can assume he is typical of a Ford dealership diesel mechanic, i.e., almost clueless. If those guys spent as much time actually researching these engines and trucks as we do here on FTE, he would know a lot better than that!
Most of what he told you is just plain bunk! I won't get into it unless someone asks, but as an example, the International DT466 has a RADICALLY different crankshaft. It's a six-cylinder engine, for goodness sakes! And the sensor wouldn't hit the crankshaft, anyway, it senses the camshaft position. And it couldn't even hit the camshaft, either, as it senses the rotation of the camshaft drive gear and that's the only thing it comes close to.
Preventative maintenance on a CPS? Maybe some dielectric grease on the contacts. Carry one in your glove box.
Gee, did I say I wouldn't get into it?
Pop
Most of what he told you is just plain bunk! I won't get into it unless someone asks, but as an example, the International DT466 has a RADICALLY different crankshaft. It's a six-cylinder engine, for goodness sakes! And the sensor wouldn't hit the crankshaft, anyway, it senses the camshaft position. And it couldn't even hit the camshaft, either, as it senses the rotation of the camshaft drive gear and that's the only thing it comes close to.
Preventative maintenance on a CPS? Maybe some dielectric grease on the contacts. Carry one in your glove box.
Gee, did I say I wouldn't get into it?
Pop
Would you like me to email him this message, and see what he says? I will edit it before I post it.
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From: La La Land
Sure. I would LOVE to get his reaction!
Clueless dealer techs get me pi$$*d, too. Their shops charge top dollar to clueless customers, who actually think that the techs know something. So they have a tendency to "bluff" when they don't know the real answer, and make up some story that sounds too complicated for Joe Average to understand just to move them out of the shop and get them to believe they're getting something for their payment. Then, they throw parts at the problem until they "think" they've solved the problem. They routinely "take advantage" of the average customer's lack of knowledge about the inner workings of their trucks.
That's my real beef. Taking advantage, just because they can get away with it.
Most of them would get a real education if they stuck around here for a while as a listener, not as know-it-alls.
Our trucks don't need speculation to fix 'em, they require knowledge. Some of the folks around FTE actually have some, and are willing to pass it on to the rest of us. What we do with that knowledge determines whether we'll ever see the inside of a dealership's service shop again.
Now, do you want to know how I REALLY feel?
More than my turbine is "spooled up"!
Pop
Clueless dealer techs get me pi$$*d, too. Their shops charge top dollar to clueless customers, who actually think that the techs know something. So they have a tendency to "bluff" when they don't know the real answer, and make up some story that sounds too complicated for Joe Average to understand just to move them out of the shop and get them to believe they're getting something for their payment. Then, they throw parts at the problem until they "think" they've solved the problem. They routinely "take advantage" of the average customer's lack of knowledge about the inner workings of their trucks.
That's my real beef. Taking advantage, just because they can get away with it.
Most of them would get a real education if they stuck around here for a while as a listener, not as know-it-alls.
Our trucks don't need speculation to fix 'em, they require knowledge. Some of the folks around FTE actually have some, and are willing to pass it on to the rest of us. What we do with that knowledge determines whether we'll ever see the inside of a dealership's service shop again.
Now, do you want to know how I REALLY feel?
More than my turbine is "spooled up"!
Pop
Last edited by SpringerPop; Jan 11, 2006 at 11:47 AM.
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From: New Hampshire
Originally Posted by SpringerPop
Sure. I would LOVE to get his reaction!
Clueless dealer techs get me pi$$*d, too. Their shops charge top dollar to clueless customers, who actually think that the techs know something. So they have a tendency to "bluff" when they don't know the real answer, and make up some story that sounds too complicated for Joe Average to understand just to move them out of the shop and get them to believe they're getting something for their payment. Then, they throw parts at the problem until they "think" they've solved the problem. They routinely "take advantage" of the average customer's lack of knowledge about the inner workings of their trucks.
That's my real beef. Taking advantage, just because they can get away with it.
Most of them would get a real education if they stuck around here for a while as a listener, not as know-it-alls.
Our trucks don't need speculation to fix 'em, they require knowledge. Some of the folks around FTE actually have some, and are willing to pass it on to the rest of us. What we do with that knowledge determines whether we'll ever see the inside of a dealership's service shop again.
Now, do you want to know how I REALLY feel?
More than my turbine is "spooled up"!
Pop
Clueless dealer techs get me pi$$*d, too. Their shops charge top dollar to clueless customers, who actually think that the techs know something. So they have a tendency to "bluff" when they don't know the real answer, and make up some story that sounds too complicated for Joe Average to understand just to move them out of the shop and get them to believe they're getting something for their payment. Then, they throw parts at the problem until they "think" they've solved the problem. They routinely "take advantage" of the average customer's lack of knowledge about the inner workings of their trucks.
That's my real beef. Taking advantage, just because they can get away with it.
Most of them would get a real education if they stuck around here for a while as a listener, not as know-it-alls.
Our trucks don't need speculation to fix 'em, they require knowledge. Some of the folks around FTE actually have some, and are willing to pass it on to the rest of us. What we do with that knowledge determines whether we'll ever see the inside of a dealership's service shop again.
Now, do you want to know how I REALLY feel?
More than my turbine is "spooled up"!
Pop
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I'm glad to see you didn't get into it Pop, and most people get pi$$ed when they see a helpless person get taken advantage of.
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Well? Now that you have all got that off you chest. What are we going to do about using a Blue CPS? Is it worth it or are we just chasing a dream that there really is something from International that is better? I do agree with Pop, that preventing failure to begin with, when installing a new CPS, is coating the O-Ring with di-electric compound. It's going to take performace electonics companies like MSD, Jacobs or who knows electonics to come up with somthing worth trying. My best comment I can say about the stealership is......? Just that...
Last edited by Wings; Jan 12, 2006 at 12:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by Wings
when installing a new CPS, is coating the O-Ring with di-electric compound
) but I thought the o-ring was a seal to keep engine oil from coming out. I put my new Blue CPS in tonight. I just coated the o-ring with a light film of fresh engine oil.
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From: La La Land
If I had a CPS failure tomorrow, and I didn't have that black spare already in the glovebox, I would be getting the "DT Blues". As a matter of fact, if I DO have that failure tomorrow, the black one will only serve me long enough to get to the Navistar dealer. Then it will go back in the glove box, once again, as insurance.
And I suspect I'll NEVER need it again.
Pop
And I suspect I'll NEVER need it again.
Pop