Thank you...

 

Great, now it's gonna get re-closed because of political discussion..............................

 

Wow! This thread has really grown. I got on the DP wagon from reading threads on this site, and a couple of others. Seemed like most people referenced DP or Tony Wildman when I was looking. I went with DP because of what I read, I liked the switch, and I was placing an order with ITP anyway. As you can see in my sig., I did not get any real aggressive tunes. That being said, I usually drive in 80E. It has been my experience that I have better throttle response and I like how the transmission responds. I really never have bothered with checking fuel economy before/after this since it will be what it will be. I do not drive the truck aggressively. On the other side of this, after reading everything I could and asking a few ?s before ordering, I had my mind made up that I would have an 8000# racecar! Not so. While the changes were noticeable, I didn't have a racecar, just a peppier truck. No complaints though. I did not go with the more aggressive tunes since I only wanted to do what I am doing with the truck, and feared that I would take advantage of the more aggressive tunes and do some damage. I do not have the income to try different tuners' chips that are popular, although I think it would be really fun to do it. I admit to being somewhat simple, so the screen shots and graphs simply don't mean much to a person like myself. Not looking to start a battle, just entering my .02.

 

Good Post Dave, and i am in the same boat as you, i dont have the extra income to try different tuners. Especially now that i am in the process of buying a house, i have to curb my spending bigtime. If i had a bunch of residual income and didnt have to worry about finances, id buy a chip from every tuner or just buy a TS chip and try different tuners that way. But i am extremely happy with my DP tunes even if i had the income i have no intentions of changing.

 

I been lurking here for ages and know most here love them some DP. What I didn’t realize is that some not only have faith in the DP product, but some have blind faith. Notice no one has ever questioned DP’s motivation. Ever. He is a great guy by all accounts. No one has accused Jody of willful intent to harm anyone’s truck. I believe as most of you do that he is really trying hard to give customers what they want. As a matter of fact no one has ever said anything but nice things about the people of DP. Actually I can’t remember anyone saying anything bad about any of the people from any of the tuners. Most chime in with “They are the best people and their customer service is second to none.” I mean that across the tuner spectrum, it’s almost universal. So if we can all agree that all the tuners are great people with great customer service, then why is it so hard to accept some of the tunes from some of the tuners may not be that great? I mean good people or not, they are all still human. Just because every “I got a new tuner” thread begins with “I just got my new tuner and I left DNA evidence in my pants” doesn’t mean it’s good for the truck. These threads are not attacks on the people behind the tuners, DP or not, but concerns about the performance of the tunes and the effect (long term) on the trucks.
I know most have mucho $$ invested in their tunes and would hate to think they made a $300-$500 mistake or acted too hastily based on first impressions claims and unquestioning support/faith from those who acted too quickly as well. I don’t know about most of you but I work too hard for my money to have to do a “do over” on something like that, or worse yet have to replace an otherwise good motor; would be catastrophic for me. I think everyone taking everything as a personal attack is the problem. I don’t have a tuner, but I want to know what my best option is today, and for 10 years down the road after the “I can’t believe it’s the same truck…” feel wears off.

 

Yes. (finger toys with delete button)

 

Let's just be a little more mature from here on out, folks. I'm fine with my decisions, both before and now. I also know I'm pushing my PMRs *a lot* harder than I was a few months back. I was encouraged when I started seeing PMR engines going well over 400, as well as the guy that launched his exhaust wheel out his stack when he put 600/400 sticks in his stock forged block. Still going, too. I guess we'll see what happens, but I have *not* been nice on mine, and both the engine and trans are hangin' in there. Lucky? Maybe...

 

OK, I'll hijack it away. Disclaimer: I don't run anybody's chip on here, so don't go thinking I'm on anyone's "side".

I went on diesel power to tell them they misused a word in their mag (most mags are staffed with English majors, and I found it shocking. OK, not really.), and noticed a story on Jody @ DP. In this story was a pic of Jody tuning on his laptop using Tunerpro! I should have figured it out from .bin files, but this made my day. I just so happen to use Tunerpro on my cars, but never thought about tuning my truck with it because I'm not diesel savvy and don't have the hardware, and don't plan to (I'm converting everything over to AEM EMS v.2, car wise, and getting live tuned by someone down the road).

So, if someone were to e-mail me the XDF and some BIN files for me to play with, I'd be forever grateful in you satisfying me neverending curiosity. Don't worry, I don't plan on ever tuning trucks or doing anything with the files, just playing around!

 

So if we put all the personal feelings aside, and try to research this rationally, what factual information would one come up with that would cause a motor to end its life cycle from placing a tune on it? At what level would your tune need to be to create such havoc? Would the engine be in stock form, or other modifications performed to support the tune you choose to install? There are so many variables that it seems almost endless and impossible to know the answers. Where's Earnest Eugene when we need him?
I recently read an article posted on hear with several of the 7.3 tuning guru's and they all received praise (from my observations). I really don't think that any of the folks that do this for a living would set out to intentionally create a tune that would compromise an engine to the point of no return. However, it is also our responsibilty as the owner to know that we are modifying our vehicle's powertrain and to do so might compromise its lifespan.

 

I've said this before... I'll say it again...

I dont think Jody has these tunes set up this way to hurt anyones truck... I really think this happened when Jody converted from the TS type tuning software to the moates stuff. I think there is a table, or something that is jacked. I dont know, dont pretend to. I do know the graphs I post are not made up or fake. Anyone notice that once the F-5 came out is about the same time most started popping motors? Maybe there was a change in the injectors, maybe something else... but it is what it is...

Look at the facts, not your feelings...

 

How about u send me your Swamps Chip so we can do some Data Logging on it and compare it to what we have?

 

There is a ton of great information in this thread...and I do agree that 85%+ of us on this forum are DP Fans. I am part of that group. I have had my DP for almost 3 years now, and have had absolutely no problems with it. Don't get me wrong if I had some way of knowing for sure that my DP was gonna blow my motor then I would remove it, but I just havn't seen enough info to show that the DP (or any chip for that matter) will be directly linked to my motor letting go. I mean I know that adding extra horses won't exactly give some extra longevity to the motor, but that is something that comes along with modifying any vehicle. I would absolutely love to try out some other tuners, but like so many others, I just don't have the extra cash lying around and I have never had any problems with my DP.

 

Respectfully, and with civility, I disagree. In fact, I've entered my post in the Annual World's Best Post contest.

Ok, I lie.

All kidding aside, I can be considered a BIG DP-Tuner fan. But even I know, like has already been stated, Jody is ONE of the best one's anyone can find.

There are MANY pro's vs. con's (actually, there are no con's for me) for me to use Jody and extol his tuning prowess. But I also know that no matter how good a pizza is, some people like it with anchovies, some don't. Some like a plain cheese pizza, others like Hawaiian style. Jody is one of the best out there, but he doesn't have a monopoly on 7.3 tuning because NO ONE PERSON can satisfy everyone. That's why PHP, Tony Wildman, Swamps, and Cale are also popular tuners. And that's why when someone asks for opinions, I always sing Jody's praises, but I also acknowledge that there are other tuners out there too.

Someone mentioned blind faith in Jody. While I wouldn't necessarily classify it as blind faith, it is faith none-the-less. And it's no more so than found in the average customer for any of the other aforementioned tuners.

When Jody live tuned me, I told him what I wanted, and I have FAITH and TRUST in him to tune the way I asked. Do I have the equipment or knowledge to check to see if he's done that? Nope. But I trust him, so I believe he's done the tunes to my desires. That's not blind faith, because I know I'm pushing my truck. But it is trust. Trust Jody has earned.

Why should any of us who trust in our tuners be faulted for that?

Jody is a kick-azz tuner and I trust him. But I don't have a problem with this thread because like someone else already posted, there's a lot of knowledge to be gained if we can keep the emotions in check.

And oh, by the way, Hawaiian style pizza IS THE BEST.

Period.

Stewart

PS - Jim can add Ranch dressing to it too.....

 

Stewart, YOU'RE GROSS! Hawaiian Pizza???

 

Stewart, this is the exact same way i feel, i could not have said it any better myself. And myself, like u, will acknowledge that there are other tuners out there and recommend them too, You have to pick the flavor you think u will like and go with it.

And i disagree with one thing.........


MeatLovers Pizza is best!!!!!