LOL OMG!!!!

That is one giant burger!!!!

Sorry, I didnt realize how big it was till it was too late

 

Looks like the OP "loved his chip", and I enjoy mine. I've read every post in this thread.....it's great being retired! I have nothing to add to this discussion.....really, I just wanted to be able to say I posted in this thread.

 

On this graph what does the numbers on the lower right represent. 125, 175, ect

 

The OP has a blown motor as well... hummmmmm

 

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Well based on your above post and the definition provided by Webster’s online dictionary, you most certainly ARE calling in to question Jody’s integrity as a tuner of these trucks, so why not “man up” and call it what it is and not pretend like you are just trying to “present the facts” in an unbiased manner? You certainly are biased, and despite your assertions otherwise, you DO have a dog in this fight. You blame Jody for your engine failure, because it couldn’t be anything else that was wrong, correct? I mean the fact that you had questions about blowby right from the get go with this new motor, that couldn’t have been it could it? The fact that you gave the builder of that motor the opportunity to explain away the fact that it had what you and most others might consider a lot of blowby for a freshened up shortblock means it couldn’t have been something YOU did when putting the heads on, or torquing something down wrong, or a whole host of other things when you put the motor back in, right? I mean, the engine shop explained why it was alright for that much blowby so it sure wasn’t something THEY did wrong, it HAD to be Jody’s tunes.<o></o>
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In response to mndiesel who points out that he has been running DP Tuners software for 3+ years, you post this:<o></o>
So you laugh at him in that “I’m so much smarter than you” type of way and refer to him as a certain “kind of people” with your smug superiority, but you aren’t here to bash or question anyone’s integrity, right? He points out 3 years of longevity using DP and you scoff at him, yet you expect everyone else to come to the conclusion that you are correct and that Jody is wrong based on just the same type of information. Mainly, you ran several years and several thousand miles with another tuners stuff and all was well with your truck (well all except the fact that whatever you did wrong to make you have to pull the motor apart to replace the injector and have to put a new shortblock in it) and the only variable that could be the culprit was the fact that you switched tuners and 30+ thousand miles later, with all else being the same (other than that questionable shortblock that you where so worried about as to post several video’s of on another forum and bad mouth the engine builder) it MUST have been the tuners fault. I mean everything else was the same right? So you present several years of “trouble free” service using another tuners tunes as evidence, but when someone else does it, you laugh them off because it doesn’t support your hypothesis. Telling……
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[quote=CSIPSD;8401559] Jody...

Please quote the post where I said you change my oil temps... I dont recall saying that...

Are you saying you do not mess with the oil temp timing at all???

Stock timing at 3000 rpm's should be in the 24* range... Some of your tunes run... hummm... somewhat more then that...
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So Jody posts a few times to let everyone reading know that there are a few thousand more things to think about besides the graphs that you are spouting off about and you tell HIM what timing “should be” for a given situation and suggest that he is wrong in his tuning. Again, you call in to question his integrity, his capability to tune these trucks and insinuate that you know a little more than he does about the subject. That right there is laughable to me.
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The Jody states this:

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He points out that stock there is a call in one of the tables for 45* of timing and you keep saying that it’s way too much timing. So if he thinks it’s too much timing in that given situation, why would he have somewhere that it wasn’t safe? You keep presenting these screen shots of graphs as evidence, but you don’t (or more likely can’t) tell us what the parameters are that the graph is related to, all you can do is show another snapshot graph of Bills tunes showing a lower volume underneath it. It’s apples and oranges without the supporting information and you know it.
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Then you say this:

I guess that stating that it cost’s $800 dollars for live tuning (which is an outright lie) and insinuating that he somehow is gouging people to do live tuning isn’t calling into question someone’s integrity, right? I mean, in this new socialized world we live in, people should be giving all their efforts and intellectual property away for free, right? I mean you shouldn’t be charging your customers for changes they make to their plans after the building project is already underway, right? You should do the job for the estimate given waaaay back at the beginning of the project when the company bid on it. Once your hours for labor and all the materials are used up, you and your company should have to eat any expenditures related to any changes the customer makes, isn’t that how you do business? Oh, that’right, your not working right now, so all you have to do is spend your time on internet chat boards NOT calling in to question other people’s integrity…..
BTW, when you are doing home improvements around the house, what do you charge your wife?
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When someone points out that you are using misinformation (lying as I like to call it) about the live tuning you conveniently point out this:
So let me get this straight, you want to add injectors and/or a fuel system and you don’t think that other tuners are going to “recommend” that you change your tuning? Or is it that you have a problem with wanting to get paid for new efforts If you do, see my above response about that subject again? But again you are using “just facts” to make your claims.

 

Well that sucked. I did a lot of that in a word document but it doesn't look good. Suffice it to say that half truths and misrepresentations like Joe is putting forth should not be taken seriously. He DOES have a dog in this fight, he DOES want to harm Jody's business and wants to blame him for his engine blowing despite his initial concerns when that engine was put in.

 

Your right... DP tuner was the best stuff I have ever run in my truck...

No one should ever question the great Jody Tipton, not for any reason...

Hellfire shall rain down on you if you ever call into question the great mind of Jody Tipton...

If you dont like the questions I am asking, then present something that makes since in rebutle... So far I have people saying that if jody thinks 45* of timing is ok, then it must be ok, and jody saying that he doesnt run 45* of timing ever...

 

WOW!!!!! Jason, great post!!!! I dont think anyone could have said it any better!!!! U nailed everything on the head in that post.

 

I DO NOT BLAME JODY FOR BLOWING UP MY MOTOR...

I was not armed with the information I know now to make an informed choice. Now I am, and would like others to make the same choice with all the information they need to make a edgmecated choice.

Ask the important questions... Timing is what kills these motors at subpar HP levels.

 

With More mileage than u had on yours

 

Hey Joe, remember a thread on FDP a while back and I asked you about your "heat cracks pistons retard" comment on the org? Your retort then was that as time goes on people learn more, and used the example of framing an exterior wall with 2x6 instead of 2x4. So who's to say that maybe in the past Jody might have done things different, but he has now learned some new information so he doesn't do exactly what he said, aka not run more than 22° timing, anymore?
You have a lot of knowledge and experience with these trucks, but you are making yourself look like an ****. And you don't blame DP for your blown motor? Please... you've been tooting the "timing killed my block" horn for months now, and ranting on how bad DP tunes are for months.
It's time to move on man. Get those injector cups replaced and start motoring on. Or go out and blow up some rabbits with a .22 or something to blow off some steam. The constant biotching is getting really old.

 

You have nothing more than a graph depicting a small piece of the giant puzzle.

You're armed with a slippery noodle.

Jody is not a god like you insinuate, but he actually knows whats going on in those tunes, which you currently do not.

Nothing personal man, I can relate to having a blown engine, and then finding what you think is the reason behind it, but I do not think you have the facts to back up what you're accusing Jody /DP - Tuner of.

 

I wouldn't like to see 45* of actual total timing.

Since I haven't heard anything in regards to my posts. Let me ask you a direct question CSIPSD. What was the load on the engine when you started recording the data for that graph? Why is there less than a seconds worth of data? Something before or after that event that would break your argument? Honestly, you need more data to make a valid claim. The info in that graph represent certain things but without the data as to how it came to be it is almost useless. What I mean by this is that we need the environmental and other variables collected during that short run. Also, these variables would need to be nearly identical for both graphs/charts for the comparison to be accurate. I ask because if those two graphs were taken with some variables being different, it would essentially break your argument. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to attack you or anything like that. I am glad all this was brought up since I had no knowledge of anything even remotely bad associated with DP's chip when I bought it a month ago. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, I don't know. All I know is that I am currently running Jody's tunes and would like more actual data to base my opinion on. I don't have a favorite side one way or the other. I do understand how all this works though. I won't be running around telling everyone that some tuners' chip blew up my engine. I won't be running around praising it to high heaven either. I would have to see something more than a partial seconds worth of data that doesn't include everything needed to form an opinion about it.

Again, just sharing thoughts so hopefully nobody gets pissed.

 

For the Record, those graphs do not depict Joes tunes, they are someones elses DPTuner tunes that were graphed by Bill at PHP IIRC. And Joe DOES NOT know what kind of timing his tunes had, he never had that checked

 

OK everyone, I think it's time to shut this thread down. The reason is because Joe has told us all the facts and information we need to know about how bad DP-TUNER and Jody's tuning are with that (FAMOUS GRAFT). Because of that graft blowing up Joe's engine, I think we need to form a posse and hang Jody from the closest tree by the short hairs.