No more tuner
Lead Driver
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Lets stop for a minute and look at two things...
Here is a 80hp tune from DP tuner...
Now here is a 80hp tune for the same type of pickup from Tony Wildman...
Now I compltely understand the "you play you pay" saying... But if you dont know what your playing with, then there is no point in playing.
Are you really saying, knowing what you know now, that you dont have one question in your mind each and everytime you push that little button to the econo setting? Do you really think someone would falsely make up data like that to further some agenda?
Slow down, read what has been put infront of you and draw your conclusions from the data...
Here is a 80hp tune from DP tuner...
Now here is a 80hp tune for the same type of pickup from Tony Wildman...
Now I compltely understand the "you play you pay" saying... But if you dont know what your playing with, then there is no point in playing.
Are you really saying, knowing what you know now, that you dont have one question in your mind each and everytime you push that little button to the econo setting? Do you really think someone would falsely make up data like that to further some agenda?
Slow down, read what has been put infront of you and draw your conclusions from the data...
2nd, like I said before, these trucks suffer from the length of time it takes to inject the fuel - what do you want? If it takes longer to inject the fuel, logic would say start squirting it sooner. Why do you think DP tuner has more power, magic?
3rd; performance over stock at 3400rpm, do you realize what a small amount of difference in time that is at that speed?
Post Fiend
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From: Dallas-Ft. Worth
Nope, I sent it out to Joey before I could get it checked... There have been others with Hybrid tunes that were in the 45-47* range but...
Mine should have been extra retarded... They were "PMR Safe" and set up for 30% meth so...
Hate to know what would have happened with regular tunes...
Mine should have been extra retarded... They were "PMR Safe" and set up for 30% meth so...
Hate to know what would have happened with regular tunes...
Post Fiend
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From: Dallas-Ft. Worth
1st of all, theres a lot more to the program a truck has than those cute graphs you posted here.
2nd, like I said before, these trucks suffer from the length of time it takes to inject the fuel - what do you want? If it takes longer to inject the fuel, logic would say start squirting it sooner. Why do you think DP tuner has more power, magic?
2nd, like I said before, these trucks suffer from the length of time it takes to inject the fuel - what do you want? If it takes longer to inject the fuel, logic would say start squirting it sooner. Why do you think DP tuner has more power, magic?
Postmaster
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From: Bend, OR
1st of all, theres a lot more to the program a truck has than those cute graphs you posted here.
2nd, like I said before, these trucks suffer from the length of time it takes to inject the fuel - what do you want? If it takes longer to inject the fuel, logic would say start squirting it sooner. Why do you think DP tuner has more power, magic?
3rd; performance over stock at 3400rpm, do you realize what a small amount of difference in time that is at that speed?
2nd, like I said before, these trucks suffer from the length of time it takes to inject the fuel - what do you want? If it takes longer to inject the fuel, logic would say start squirting it sooner. Why do you think DP tuner has more power, magic?
3rd; performance over stock at 3400rpm, do you realize what a small amount of difference in time that is at that speed?
There is nothing MORE important to the longevity of the motor then those "cute little" graphs that I posted...
Also, please present something else other then the normal "I have been running X tunes for 8 months without issue so it must be good" that everyone has?
I know exactly how long that is at 3400rpm's... and its scary how far ahead of the curve that 44* timing is, when the other guy can get it done at 38* or less...
Dynoed both... There more or less the same once you average them out... Same with Elite tunes...
Lead Driver
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They both produce the same power... Hence the 80hp tune???
-Nothing more than a basic rating. A 300hp engine might actually make 286, or maybe 298.... nothing concrete.
Also, please present something else other then the normal "I have been running X tunes for 8 months without issue so it must be good" that everyone has?
-This is more or less exactly what you have done.
I know exactly how long that is at 3400rpm's... and its scary how far ahead of the curve that 44* timing is, when the other guy can get it done at 38* or less...
-Remember that the fuel STARTS being injected at that point in time. Think about that for a minute.
Dynoed both... There more or less the same once you average them out... Same with Elite tunes...
-Nothing more than a basic rating. A 300hp engine might actually make 286, or maybe 298.... nothing concrete.
Also, please present something else other then the normal "I have been running X tunes for 8 months without issue so it must be good" that everyone has?
-This is more or less exactly what you have done.
I know exactly how long that is at 3400rpm's... and its scary how far ahead of the curve that 44* timing is, when the other guy can get it done at 38* or less...
-Remember that the fuel STARTS being injected at that point in time. Think about that for a minute.
Dynoed both... There more or less the same once you average them out... Same with Elite tunes...
Postmaster
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From: Bend, OR
Have you ever dyno'ed your truck? Ever been to a dyno session? Ever been involved in a tuning session?
EVERY SINGLE Superduty 7.3 will dyno at 300-320hp with ANY tuner on MAX HP setting... Its a given... I can see a truck back up on the dyno and tell you what it will dyno with in 10 hp...
Nothing special to it, anyone that has been around it alot can do the same thing...
And yes I know how long it takes to inject the fuel... Little thing called Pulse Width... its in milliseconds...
Do you know how long it takes to empty a stock AD injector???
Lead Driver
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Have you ever dyno'ed your truck? Ever been to a dyno session? Ever been involved in a tuning session?
Mine is stock, but I have been around sessions to see what happens, and what works.
EVERY SINGLE Superduty 7.3 will dyno at 300-320hp with ANY tuner on MAX HP setting... Its a given... I can see a truck back up on the dyno and tell you what it will dyno with in 10 hp...
There is a huge difference between brake HP and rear wheel HP. Especially when you're comparing a tuner to another tuner when they control the transmission differently.
Nothing special to it, anyone that has been around it alot can do the same thing...
Uggggghhhh... Yes, I have friends that think the same, while it is sort of true, this mind frame should be save for v8 gas jobs.
And yes I know how long it takes to inject the fuel... Little thing called Pulse Width... its in milliseconds...
The fuel does not magically spray exactly during the pulse width signal. Once the signal initiates, we wait for the mechanical lag, then the injection, then again mechanical lag to stop again. At 4000rpm this can eat a substantial portion of what you might think.
Do you know how long it takes to empty a stock AD injector???
A long time at high rpm & full throttle. Past 3000rpm the injectors start having trouble sucking enough fuel back into them in time for the next injection.
Mine is stock, but I have been around sessions to see what happens, and what works.
EVERY SINGLE Superduty 7.3 will dyno at 300-320hp with ANY tuner on MAX HP setting... Its a given... I can see a truck back up on the dyno and tell you what it will dyno with in 10 hp...
There is a huge difference between brake HP and rear wheel HP. Especially when you're comparing a tuner to another tuner when they control the transmission differently.
Nothing special to it, anyone that has been around it alot can do the same thing...
Uggggghhhh... Yes, I have friends that think the same, while it is sort of true, this mind frame should be save for v8 gas jobs.
And yes I know how long it takes to inject the fuel... Little thing called Pulse Width... its in milliseconds...
The fuel does not magically spray exactly during the pulse width signal. Once the signal initiates, we wait for the mechanical lag, then the injection, then again mechanical lag to stop again. At 4000rpm this can eat a substantial portion of what you might think.
Do you know how long it takes to empty a stock AD injector???
A long time at high rpm & full throttle. Past 3000rpm the injectors start having trouble sucking enough fuel back into them in time for the next injection.
Postmaster
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From: Bend, OR
I just dont know quite what to say to someone who knows so little about the injection process of our motors... I will let you have what ever you want to think go...
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Lead Driver
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Once you're done wiping that off you're chin, Call ford, I'm sure they'd love to have a genius like you at their place to teach them how their engine works.
You could actually be like; a double agent; you can make the wage at ford, and have you're own powerstroke consulting firm to coach tuning companies what to do.
You could actually be like; a double agent; you can make the wage at ford, and have you're own powerstroke consulting firm to coach tuning companies what to do.
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Joe if your so smart like you THINK you are on some of these sites why don't you start tuning. I am tired people like you who think your tuners cause of what you read on the internet, if you think its so easy tune your own truck.
Cargo Master
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From: Montana
Im glad others are seeing this too!! This has gone on a lot longer than this thread!!! Believe me when i say that!
Lead Driver
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The problem with this thread is that the outcome has already been decided before the jury gets to look at the evidence.
