Bill has reached out to Jody... See, this is where people stop thinking and reading and start just reacting...

Bill did, he was told more or less to butt out.

I called Jody about my concerns with my tunes about 6 months before the motor came out... I was told I had PMR and Water/Meth tunes and not to worry.

When I tore the motor down and started talking about all this Jody called me and told me that there was no way timing did what it did... Yet everyone else I talked to said differant. None of whom have any dog in this hunt.

Jody did try and call me several times over the next few weeks, but at that point I was done talking about it, and being told I was wrong by one select group of guys, while another says something else...

Is there anything else you would like to know?

 

[quote=mndiesel;8398827]
...... Roll over...


So there goes the party part...LOL

Who knows, if money gets better I may get one more new shortblock... I have two good blocks in the shop now and three sets of rods so...

 

That I did not know!!!! Thanks for sharing. I guess I would like to see a graph of your tunes. That would be nice if he still has them.

[quote=CSIPSD;8398845]Not good that it rolled but it must have been one hell of a night, LOL.

Good luck on your rebuild when you do it.

On that graph that you posted earlier I see the rpm number and the timing number , What are the other sets of numbers?

 

Well, this may **** off some people, but here goes...

I have a DP-Tuner F5 in my Excursion (got the F5 right after it came out, so I've had it for a few years now) and in my F250. The F250 has only been tuned since last January, when I went down to JW's place in Holtville and had Jody live tune my truck as I drove him up to Modesto to Joey's place (Terminator Engineering).

I have been nothing but happy with Jody's tunes. Very satisfied.

That being said, NOBODY is perfect. John Wood will be the first to tell you his built 4R100's can break. It's a mechanical object and mechanical objects can fail. Just plain fact.

Is Jody perfect? Nope, and I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you that. But like JW, Brian at BTS, Bill at PHP, or even Tony Wildman, neither are they. And like Jody, I bet they all strive for perfection.

I like Jody. Helluva good guy. He put up with me (he was stuck in my truck!) for over 10 hours last January. Jody will only ever be the guy to tune my rigs, so yeah, I'm a DP-Tuner fan, customer, and cheerleader. But I'm not blind to the other guys who are accomplished tuners too. It's easy for me to recognize there are others who tune well too.

But here's the thing...I don't have a problem with Joe posting his opinions and feelings regarding his misfortunes. He has done so in a fairly polite manner, without trying to inflame anything. He's just posting what he feels are facts.

Does that mean he's right? Nope. Does that make him wrong? Nope.

There's nothing wrong with the discourse in this thread because it educates a lot of us, and probably makes Jody strive even more for perfection, if for nothing else but to try and remain above reproach.

Do I trust Jody and his tunes? Just as much as customers for Bill, Cale, Tony, or Swamps trust their tuners!

This isn't the Stepford Wives forum where everything is "perfect" guys. We can disagree with each other in a civil manner, and in my opinion, things have remained FAIRLY civil. There is no drama and it certaintly aint like some of the BS "in your face" threads at PSN. That's not a knock on PSN either because I like that site too...just in very small doses. I much prefer FTE.

I will say this, Joe, the comment to Pete (Duck Fan) when he posted that VERY funny jpg about someone being wrong on the internet was for humor sake only. It had nothing to do with your statement of "dazzle them with crap".

I was laughing my butt off again when I saw that. Hell, I was gonna post it myself!

Stewart

 

Joe,

There was no phone call or email from Bill to Jody pertaining to anything about the 80E. One post was made and the content was not correct. Therefore, I asked that that the op contact our dealer he got his chip from and or call Jody if he had any questions about this tunes. I see nothing wrong with that. The proper way would have been to email or call Jody with concerns.

Jonathon at Swamps tested one of our customers truck with his oscilloscope. Our customer was told he that he saw nothing wrong with the tunes, as a matter of fact, Jody needed to add in a little more timing. This was less then year ago.


Diane

 

Why would he want or need to do that? You're the one that wants to know. I'm pretty sure if I have a question about anything related with my tunes I can pick up the phone and simply ask Jody and my question will be answered.
You need to stop posting graphs of tunes that were read by someone's competition. It means nothing.
You're entitled to your views and opinions and to express them. But you need to have some facts to back it up. I've yet to see anything, you tried to post one graph but so far everything you have stated has been shot down.
Instead of telling us all DP sucks, has too much timing, and will blow your engine, the correct way is to say "here's what I know from personal experience." Which should be something along the lines of I added a DP Tuner on a suspect engine, ragged it, and it broke so now I hate DP Tuner and everyone else should too. Gossip is not gospel.

 

Is that 45* of timing under load? How was this chart achieved?

 

To be clear, this is a factory tune.

In one table from 478 psi of oil pressure to whatever the max oil pressure will go to, it adds 45* in the factory tune.

Then it also adds at 2000 rpm's 22* of timimg. At 4000 rpm's it adds 17*.

I had my SCT Software up to do a 6.0 tune, so I just tooked it from the base tune for a TDE1 from their software. The base calibration will be the same in any software.

In my oppinion, that's way to much. This is why I change it. This why our "stock" tune is not 100% factory stock.

It can be heard in the sound at idle particularly when you compare factory stock to my stock.


Jody

 

Thanks for the info.

I just did a quick search and didn't come up with much. What is the base timing on a stock engine?

Also, just to be clear, your 80/120 tunes do not have 45* of total timing through the rpm range under load? I can see that much timing if the engine has a very light load on it (slight downhill grade but not enough to let off the throttle). Most engines advance that far under certain conditions. Just never under heavy acceleration.

I'm not trying to argue or anything. I just like to know how certain things work. I am fairly new to diesels.

 

Good Post!

 

Ahhhhhh, fun times.

The whole Tooner feudes thing always reminds me of the grade school debate, "Yeah, well my dad can beat up your dad".

If my pickup was sitting in the driveway with a blown engine for like the 2nd or 3rd time, I might start to suspect that it could possibly be my fault.............................

 

Sean,

Thank you for asking this. I was hoping someone would. I think you have helped me prove my point.

At what temps do you want to know the timing? -36*C or 0*C or 95*C. Under what condition do you want to know your timing: ICP pressures, RPM, Air temp, what is the engine compression, what CPS, what IDM, what injector, what alititude and how much engine load....

There are many varibles to take into account when factoring timing. This is why you can only meassure this in the cylinder to get the TRUE timing in EACH truck. ALL of the variables MUST be taken into account.

All of the timing data I acquired was from a running truck with high speed test equipment. The 26* of timing noted was in the 80E at WOT (around 2500 rpm's.) Oil in the pan was at 80*F.

Jody

 

Now this is the best post ever.

 

Since this thread has strayed into information about different tunes, I would like to ask Jody a question.

What is the difference between the Tow and Economy tunes?
I'm trying to get the max economy from my truck but will also be towing a 30' TT.

 

You got a little something on your chin there.