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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pappy19
I towed my 31' Airstream over 500 miles through the mountains of Idaho and Utah with stretches of 75 mph interstates and averaged 8.6 mpg. Lowest speed up hills was on Horseshoe Bend Hill at 60 mph and I passed a new Dodge diesel with a bumper-pull with a lighter weight than my Airstream. Very satisfied with the 72,xxx miles on my V-10. Not a single problem in 3 years of use.

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That V10 is just a beast, Im thinking about trading mine in for one.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
Who said that it is HP that moves you at the stop?
Whether you are slipping the clutch, or the automatic tranny's torque converter is slipping, the engine is turning, producing "HP".
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pappy19
I towed my 31' Airstream over 500 miles through the mountains of Idaho and Utah with stretches of 75 mph interstates and averaged 8.6 mpg. Lowest speed up hills was on Horseshoe Bend Hill at 60 mph and I passed a new Dodge diesel with a bumper-pull with a lighter weight than my Airstream. Very satisfied with the 72,xxx miles on my V-10. Not a single problem in 3 years of use.

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Not to rain on your parade, but passing anything doesn't mean much. Trust me, the Dodge diesels are stronger than your (and mine) V10's when it comes to towing. They also get better mileage towing or empty than our V10's. Ilove my V10 as well and am glad I bought it, but I'm also realistic about what it is and what it ain't.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 10:06 AM
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The Cummins engine is only as strong as the rest of their components, including their sootbag POS. While it may be "designed" to out perform and out-tow my V-10, the proof is in the total application. I wonder why the Ford V-10 gasser is in more F-450-550 type motor homes than any other engine from all makes combined? The V-10 works better and has less maintenance/warranty issues than any engine on the market today, including Cummins, that's why. It is what it is.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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The 2V won't out pull a 6.7, but a 3V will.
The 2V can still eat the 5.9s that were made during the same time.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 11:08 AM
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My 05 V-10 struggled pulling my 37 foot travel trailer where as my 06 6.0 PSD takes the same load in stride and has power to spare. Not to mention the 6-7mph in hills and a fuel range of under 200 miles with the shortbed 05 F-250. I think if your pulling heavy then the diesel outperforms the 3v V-10 everytime.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pappy19
The Cummins engine is only as strong as the rest of their components, including their sootbag POS. While it may be "designed" to out perform and out-tow my V-10, the proof is in the total application. I wonder why the Ford V-10 gasser is in more F-450-550 type motor homes than any other engine from all makes combined? The V-10 works better and has less maintenance/warranty issues than any engine on the market today, including Cummins, that's why. It is what it is.
Well, IMO the V10 is in the RV style Fords because most of the RV owners I know don't do a lot of PM's on their RV's, and they sit still during the winter which would be death for diesel fuel...if lacking in a nice fuel stabilizer. The PSD's need looked at frequently, while a V10 is a turn-the-key and go application much like the 3.0 in my Fusion. Much more forgiving if something is going wrong.

Bill, the 3V V10 isn't going to outpull a 6.7...
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by milfpig115
My 05 V-10 struggled pulling my 37 foot travel trailer where as my 06 6.0 PSD takes the same load in stride and has power to spare. Not to mention the 6-7mph in hills and a fuel range of under 200 miles with the shortbed 05 F-250. I think if your pulling heavy then the diesel outperforms the 3v V-10 everytime.

If your 6 leaker is stock, then I beg to differ. Stock for stock, there's little difference, in fact, the V-10 may have a slight advantage. On one truck test back in 2008 (I forget the mag that did the testing), the only engine from all makers that beat the V-10 was the then-new 6.4 Ford diesel and then only by a few feet. That was towing up a 12% slope all entries pulling the same 9,000 lb. bumper pull. When you throw in all of the 6.0 problems, it's a wonder they run at all. They are very cheap on the used truck market today, especially when out of their 100k warranty.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 11:48 AM
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Well Pappy I don't need a magazine article to tell me what the differences are. I owned the 2005 V-10 for 2 years before buying the 2006 6.0 last November. Both were F-250 Harley Davidson edition trucks, the only difference beside the engine is that the 06 is a long bed and the 05 was a shortbed.

I've hauled my 37 foot, 1997 Nomad travel trailer (approx 9,500K) with both trucks and my brothers 05 6.0. Its the same route both going and coming, with the same trailer and all things being equal the 6.0 just plain out hauls V-10. Sure the V-10 could do it but when the truck needed to drop 2 gears going up a grade to maintain 65-70mph it was a bit unnerving. I guess I am just not a fan of seeing the needle pegged on the higher numbers of the tach. Additionally when I got into the hills I could literally watch the fuel guage decending mile by mile.

Both my brothers 05 and my 06 psd can maintain speed going up the same hills thereby leaving me less to worry about becoming a traffic obstacle. I also averaged at least 3-4 mpg better hauling the same trailer and the larger fuel tank on the truck means no stopping during the 200 mile trip.

Look I've owned both models, gasser and PSD as my daily driver. I loved the lower maintenance costs of my gasser compared to the PSD and she never left me stranded. When it comes to serious towing however For me and me only i prefer to be behind the wheel of my 2006 6.0 liter. I've had some issues with the 6.0 covered under warranty and when that runs out I may think about moving to something new. In the mean time I perform PM's religiously on the truck and get a large grin everytime my foot presses the "fun flipper."
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pappy19
If your 6 leaker is stock, then I beg to differ. Stock for stock, there's little difference, in fact, the V-10 may have a slight advantage. On one truck test back in 2008 (I forget the mag that did the testing), the only engine from all makers that beat the V-10 was the then-new 6.4 Ford diesel and then only by a few feet. That was towing up a 12% slope all entries pulling the same 9,000 lb. bumper pull. When you throw in all of the 6.0 problems, it's a wonder they run at all. They are very cheap on the used truck market today, especially when out of their 100k warranty.

I have also had the opportunity to spend some time in the G.M proving grounds where "Diesel Power" magazine conducted the latest comparison of the 2011 diesels. I have been on the 12% slope and yes I agree pulling from a dead stop or a slower speed roll there is very little difference between all of them. However, these tests are not conducted at highway speeds factoring in traffic, head wind or any of the other things one might encounter while driving and towing. The GM proving ground does not have a mile long incline that simulates what I've encountered pulling my trailer. Again for me and and only me, my 6.0 psd outperformed my v-10.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 11:56 AM
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Like I said, your 6 leaker isn't stock, so all bets are off.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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Well, IMO the V10 is in the RV style Fords because most of the RV owners I know don't do a lot of PM's on their RV's, and they sit still during the winter which would be death for diesel fuel...if lacking in a nice fuel stabilizer. ...
What da heck you are talking about?
Diesel #2 can gel in very low temperatures, but unlike gasoline -diesel is not aging very fast. I've been restarting diesels sitting under the tree for 7 years on original fuel just fine. The diesel in my motorhome is about 3 years old. Restarted it a month ago after no turn for 12 months. With charged batteries the vintage Detroit fired up on first turn.
The biggest issue with sitting diesels I have are rats making nests on the top of the engines.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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What da heck you are talking about?
Diesel #2 can gel in very low temperatures, but unlike gasoline -diesel is not aging very fast. I've been restarting diesels sitting under the tree for 7 years on original fuel just fine. The diesel in my motorhome is about 3 years old. Restarted it a month ago after no turn for 12 months. With charged batteries the vintage Detroit fired up on first turn.
The biggest issue with sitting diesels I have are rats making nests on the top of the engines.
Diesel will grow slime. You won't let a newer one sit for 7 years without a fuel stabilizer. DD's will probably start though. the Army has a bunch of them. DD's and Cats.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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Not a stabilizer, but anti-algeage stuff. In my 25 years of driving diesels in CA I never found a drop of water in the fuel and never had algeage.
I heard it is different in states with 4 seasons. The fuel in my motorhome has no additives.
My Ford in the past was running on fuel close to 1 year old as well.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
Not a stabilizer, but anti-algeage stuff. In my 25 years of driving diesels in CA I never found a drop of water in the fuel and never had algeage.
I heard it is different in states with 4 seasons. The fuel in my motorhome has no additives.
My Ford in the past was running on fuel close to 1 year old as well.
The stabilizers for diesel ARE anti-algae.
 
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