You can come out the paint booth Bill. A 3v v10 aint gonna out pull a 6.7. The 3vs around here aint out pulling my wimpy, junky, problematic 6.0. We're doing a lot of hauling right now outta the field. Moving 40' bean heads, hay, cattle. In now way am I lacking. No one around here has a 6.7 yet. I'm dyeing to watch 1 work. Big time numbers on that animal. You can try all you want with a formula and calculator to press your will on me. I'll show you where it matters... On the clock. When its time to work. The only thing that the v10 has over me is its one fast truck. It makes for a hella of a nice dragster.

 

Both the V-10 I owned and the 6.0 are bone stock. No programers, aftermarket intakes or any other performance mods to either truck. The truck is still underwarranty and has more than enough performance for me as is. I used to "drink the cool-aid" too when I owned the v-10 but once I towed with the 6.0 my tune change considerably.

 

Bill was talking about the cummins 6.7, not the ford 6.7.

You said yourself that the v10 did the job the 6.0 did but it had to drop 2 gears to do it. No one on the v10 side is saying it will do the same job in the same gear at the same rpm. Our whole argument is that if you let it downshift and turn the rpms it needs to make good power then it will do the same job. Just because it downshifted doesn't mean it is "struggling" like you said it was. My OBS 7.3 will pull better in 5th gear at 2,000 rpm than a 3v v10, but the v10 is hardly struggling as it blows past me a gear lower.

 

Bill support this statement, because the 6.7 Cummins has the same hp and torque than the 6.4 PSD and no test has shown a 3v will outpull a 6.4.

Not true, the 15% grade, the V10 was going the same speed at the top of the hill, but it lost by 5 full seconds, which is an eternity in a 700 foot long course.
PickupTruck.Com - Part 1: 2007 PickupTruck.com Heavy Duty Shootout

And this was a 3/4 ton short bed v10 with 4.30 vs. a 1 ton long bed dually with 3.73 6.4. If you don't think the long bed dually makes a big difference, see this test:
2010 Heavy-Duty Shootout - PickupTrucks.com Special Reports

And I had a blast at the dunes last weekend. Thanks so much for the information Sandman! You were right about the witches eyes, it took my brother about 10 minutes in the dunes to find one and get stuck. He got out but it took a few minutes. He is hooked though, wants to go back over Christmas break. How is the sand that time of year? The biggest disappointment last weekend was how much of the area was tracked up, hard to find clean sand other than in the tiny dunes or the closed area.

Here are a couple pics, I did not take many as we rode a ton.



This one was devils churn a few miles up the road from Florence, was insane. A couple locals said they had never seen the water this high.


And my new Duramax did well. There are some good things, some bad from the PSD. The mileage was a hair worse, but within a half mpg, so that is good coming from a built PSD with emissions missing to a bone stock Dmax with DPF. I do miss the 29 gallon tank though.

 

I hate to sound like traitor, but both of you guys are waaaaaay wrong, in fact not even close. My Dad had previously owned an '01 Dodge with the 5.9 he bought new. How would it compare to my V10 in towing? It would out-pull it with not much trouble at all and get better mileage doing it. He now owns an '07 6.7 and I promise it would eat any V10 alive pulling the same load. Look guys, as I've said many, many times before, I love my V10 and truly think it is the best choice for me, but there is no way in hell it'll out-pull a Cummins or any other diesel. Sorry, but that's experience talking, not testosterone and wishful thinking.

 

I am talking about the Dodge 6.7, which is less powerfull than the 3V V10.

Needing to drop two gears does not make it a weaker engine.

 

235 HP vs 310 HP. Keep the V10 in its RPM range were it makes its power and it will trash a 5.9 empty or loaded.

 

2010 Ford V10 = 362/457
2010 Ford 6.4 = 350/650

2010 Ram 6.7 = 350/650
2010 Ram 5.7 = 383/400

2010 GM 6.6 = 365/660
2010 GM 6.0 = 360/380

Bill, so are you saying that the Ram 5.7 will outpull every other truck there? And of course the GM 6.0 must be able to outpull the Ford 6.4, right?

 

2003 Ram 5.9 = 305/555
2003 Ram 5.7 = 345/375

2003 Ford V10 = 310/425
2003 Ford 6.0 = 325/560

So are you saying the Hemi is the best pulling engine in the bunch?

Looks like the Cummins is a little more than 235 HP...

 

There is a lot of dodges and chevies around my area but Fords dominate fo rsome reason too...... maybe it's the fact we only have 1 new car dealer in town and it's a ford dealer. Small town a couple counties over, dodges dominate by a large margin..... Once again 1 dealer and they are a dodge dealer.

In fact come to think about it, a dodge guy could make the claim that even though the nearest dodge dealer is 40miles away there is almost as many dodges around as Fords gee wonder why.

availability and price dictate a majority of car sales.

 

That's the problem between "theory" and "reality". Please read this next sentance very slowly and remember it well: I have actually driven both Cummins engines and can tell you with all certainty that NO FORD V10 CAN OUTPULL EITHER CUMMINS ENGINE. Look, the V10 is a great engine, I wouldn't have bought one if it weren't, but it's still not in the same ball park as the 24v Cummins and certainly not the 6.7 Cummins. You can google make-believe numbers until you wear the numbers off your keyboard, but it won't change the fact that the V10 won't outpull the Cummins/Dodge. But for some reason, you refuse to be swayed. No amount of video evidence, testimonials, or personal experience is going to prove anything to you, is it? Beleive what you want to, but I wouldn't be trash-talking the 24v 5.9 until you've pulled with one if I were you.

 

You don't think the 3V V10s 127HP advantage is enough?



Thats fair enough, but how much better is it really than a 7.3 PSD? Numbers are about the same.

 

Check the numbers, read up a few posts... no 127 hp advantage.

 

No, it's not. You've somehow built the 3V V10 to be some mythical engine. It's a great engine, but regardless of what the thing is rated at, it's not in the same league of towing capability as the 6.7 Cummins/ 6 speed auto combo. Can the V10 tow? Hell yes. Will it last? You bet it will. But it's not gonna beat the 6.7 or the 5.9 24v to the top of the hill, and it sure ain't gonna get the same mileage with the same load.



The 7.3 is just a weaker all-around engine. They get great mileage, last forever and all, but just won't tow what the 24v 5.9 will. Now the 12v 5.9 Cummins is a different animal altogether. Lower torque numbers, lower horsepower, therefore not nearly as stout. But people seem to lump ALL Cummins diesels in together as if there was only one and to me that shows how little towing time they've had behind the wheel with one.

 

What are we talking about??? speed, towing ability, torque or HP numbers? The v-10 truck did struggle with the weight and the grade. You don't see very many tow vehicles with high mileage that need to spin at 3500 rpm in order to haul a heavy load. Hell my chevy 5.3 liter pulled the trailer once when I first bought it and was constantly down shifting to maintain highway speeds. Because it pulled the trailer does not mean the engine or truck was up to the task. The V-10 could pull my trailer but was not the best option out there for doing so. At least in comparison of the 6.0 and V-10. Given my two trucks pulling the same travel trailer there was no way no matter how many gears it dropped it was going to pass my 2006. I give you that the v-10 might have been faster unloaded but racing a 8 thousand pound truck never interested me all that much.