Gas vs PSD
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Probably not, when I can I want to buy a srw. But my Duramax was still running sweet as whistle when I sold it with 230k on the odo so I'd hope for similar from this one for its new owner.
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I drive my 18,000 trailer at over 80 mph and I have a court approved ticket to prove it
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Well, after giving this all some thought, you get what you pay for. A diesel costs more, true. It also pulls easier and better.
So, what I think is funny, over the past year, us PSD guys have conceded maintenance cost, reliability (6.0), repair costs, and upfront costs. The only thing you v10 guys concede on is mileage, and even then some of you think the v10 and 6.4 get the same mileage.
Show me one time a v10 outpulled a 6.4, then we can talk. Until then, concede that and argue based on what your strengths are. LOL
So, what I think is funny, over the past year, us PSD guys have conceded maintenance cost, reliability (6.0), repair costs, and upfront costs. The only thing you v10 guys concede on is mileage, and even then some of you think the v10 and 6.4 get the same mileage.
Show me one time a v10 outpulled a 6.4, then we can talk. Until then, concede that and argue based on what your strengths are. LOL
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From: Rogue River, Oregon
You mean when I whip all those Dodges, it's just my imagination. Actually, stock Dodges are no challenge at all. Stock Chevy's are a little tougher but I still take them. Ford 7.3's are no problem as are stock 6.0's. The newer 6.4's are about even. I haven't run against a new Ford 6.7 diesel yet, but they are rated pretty high as are the new Chevy's. The new Dodge diesel is rated 50hp less than the Ford or the Chevy; don't know what they are up to these days, but w/o alot of mods, they suck.
The bad part is I own a V10 Ford and I am truly embarrased to even read that kind of trash coming from another V10 owner. Stop. Please stop. You have no idea what reality is and you are truly digging yourself into a deepr hole of ignorance with every passing word. My V10, your V10, it doesn't matter, they simply cannot tow as efficiently as a diesel anything. How can you expect your naturally aspirated 6.8 to tow as well as a blown 6.7 regardless of fuel type? You brag about your almighty 5 speed, well the new Dodges have a 6 speed for crissakes! There is no limit to the amount of trash talk you'll spew. Sober up, please.
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It was in the previous post but here we go again. 37 foot travel trailer, 9500k, Elevation change of several thousand feet over 20 miles. Several hills measuring over 1/2 mile long, unsure of grade %. Pulled the same trailer with 05 F-250 Harley Davidson V-10 and a 2006 Harley Davidson 6.0 liter. Pulled the same trailer the same route both going and coming multiple times. 6.0 pulled the trailer better, with better fuel economy on each trip. I was a die hard gasser until I compared the v-10 towing to the 6.0. There was no comparison in my opinion. Just my experience, to each their own however.
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Anyone on here do A engine swap or complete rebuild on a v10? I was thinking 5k but really have no idea. But if a v10 is good for 200k trouble free miles and you can drop a new one in for half te cost of the diesel option (about 9k) that would be relevant.
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Again, if diesel pickup engines are so good and so reliable then why are there so many V-10's in motor homes and not Powerstrokes, Cummins or even Duramax? The answer is durability and reliability. When you look at the overall weight of both Class C and Class A's, the additional weight of a diesel engine is nill and can not be used as an excuse for not using them. It's strictly a reliability issue and the V-10 is the most reliable engine made in the past 12 years. Just go check out your TSB's for any diesel engine and compare it to the V-10's TSB's and warranty history.
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Again, if diesel pickup engines are so good and so reliable then why are there so many V-10's in motor homes and not Powerstrokes, Cummins or even Duramax?
Anyone on here do A engine swap or complete rebuild on a v10? I was thinking 5k but really have no idea. But if a v10 is good for 200k trouble free miles and you can drop a new one in for half te cost of the diesel option (about 9k) that would be relevant.
Supercharge a V10 all you want, it'll tow @ 1mpg and still need a bootfull of revs going up a hill...as goes pure speed when EMPTY/NOT TOWING?
The bad part is I own a V10 Ford and I am truly embarrased to even read that kind of trash coming from another V10 owner.
Isn't it more like $700 spark plug change?
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I wonder if you'll keep your 6.4 after the warranty runs out when you'll have to pull the cab to change out your glow plugs or injectors. It will be along side the poor 6 leakers out there wishing they had a scrufty old V-10 workhorse still chugging along at 200,000 miles at the lowly 11 mpg with a $200 spark plug change.
Word has it, and maybe someone can verify, that the since the cab is designed to be pulled it can be done in 1 hour by a shop with the proper tools. I'm assuming the "proper" tool is a hoist of some sort to lift the cab. Got it.
What do those COPS cost again? Good ones, not the fleaBay ChiCom Inc. stuff floating around. Last time I had "A" plug and COP changed it cost me over $300. Dealer admittedly, but you can't always be assured of being home in your garage when stuff goes south. Sometimes you have a car load of wife, kids, and dog while heading down the highway with 7.5K of trailer behind you.
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Read the story about $700 spark plug changes at dealers from member who is fleet manager. I would assume he checked the prices around. So can other V10 owner verify what are dealers NORMAL prices for spark plug changes? I understand that you might have a coupon for occasional $50 job, but that has nothing to do wit regular maintenance.
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I posted a question, what seems to tip you off.
Read the story about $700 spark plug changes at dealers from member who is fleet manager. I would assume he checked the prices around. So can other V10 owner verify what are dealers NORMAL prices for spark plug changes? I understand that you might have a coupon for occasional $50 job, but that has nothing to do wit regular maintenance.
Read the story about $700 spark plug changes at dealers from member who is fleet manager. I would assume he checked the prices around. So can other V10 owner verify what are dealers NORMAL prices for spark plug changes? I understand that you might have a coupon for occasional $50 job, but that has nothing to do wit regular maintenance.
A more fair price for a dealer plug change on a 2V 6.8l is around $200-$250 with plugs. They would charge more for a 3V because the plugs are more expensive. If a plug breaks off (earlier 3V) that will run the price up but $700 is not even close to normal on a plug job. You have to watch dealers and get a quote prior to getting work done. Between the high labor rates and inflated parts prices they take you across, some dealers are much worse than others.
What do those COPS cost again? Good ones, not the fleaBay ChiCom Inc. stuff floating around. Last time I had "A" plug and COP changed it cost me over $300.
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I posted a question, what seems to tip you off.
Read the story about $700 spark plug changes at dealers from member who is fleet manager. I would assume he checked the prices around. So can other V10 owner verify what are dealers NORMAL prices for spark plug changes? I understand that you might have a coupon for occasional $50 job, but that has nothing to do wit regular maintenance.
Read the story about $700 spark plug changes at dealers from member who is fleet manager. I would assume he checked the prices around. So can other V10 owner verify what are dealers NORMAL prices for spark plug changes? I understand that you might have a coupon for occasional $50 job, but that has nothing to do wit regular maintenance.
You diesel guys scream and complain about people listing dealer prices for HPOP's, Turbos, Injectors, and FICM's, and want to use the absolute lowest cost source for a diesel repair, yet don't want to talk about it if someone mentions a lower-cost source for gas engine parts.
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I swaped one becuase the PO killed it ( something went down the intake)
and with a used engine in the truck and the bad one as a core, it cost me less than $400.
I have been passed before by a ram 3500 towing a GN with two combines on it, going at least 75-80.
I was lucky, the cop did not notice the fact its a 7,000 lb cap. trailer.
If it had been a trooper I would have been SOL.
It was a city cop and he did not even get me for driving a truck in the left lane.
