Argo;Chevy 292 SM465 combination) are the least expensive to operate despite fuel economy and are the most reliable.[/QUOTE]

I had one of these for the first 10 years. Was in a 10 cube and was pretty much a 3spd unless you where starting on a 20% grade. But it never let me down and was unstopable in snow.

Now i have an 03 international 12 cube with a 444? I think that is the same as the 7.3? It is pretty quick except 55+mph the gas gm was faster but also screaming like it was going to blow up

I never really paid attention to our trucks just drove em but im looking at a 3/4ton qnd hqve been paying more attention. Im going v10 gas

 

I am not trying to get anyone riled up. The fact is that either engine is capable. If you are using a gasser however, fuel costs are going to be higher when heavily loaded. Used to be that they would be higher when unloaded too, but given the price disparity between diesel and regular unleaded, as well as the drop in diesel efficiency due to modern emissions regulations, I think they are about equal without a load, and perhaps, gas even has an advantage. From a financial perspective, I don't think that the mileage penalty under load for a gasser will be an issue for the occasional tow/haul (I.E. recreational user). However, I think that if you are a hot shot hauler or if you are always loaded to the max, the diesel is more economical. 10 years ago, I'd have argued that point differently, as I think 10-15 years ago, diesel had it all over gas, period. I think allot of the gas vs diesel debate is diesel guys arguing points that are not valid in today's market. Maybe Diesels will get their mojo back at some point, but for now, I think they have little to offer to the occasional hauler. Under heavy load, diesels tend to be more efficient. If that weren't so, then heavy equipment and line haul trucks would not be exclusively diesel. In summary, I agree with many of the points the gas guys make. Even though I am admittedly a diesel guy, I can't see how anyone can label a truck as a "poser" for having a gas engine. Trucks that burn gas are perfectly capable as well. The issue ultimately revolves around cost of ownership versus desire. Some guys don't like diesels, and will own a gasser even if it costs 10 times as much to operate. Some diesel guys are just the same. Even though I am a diesel swap fanatic, I'm not getting rid of my 300, because it is cheap to operate, it is as tough as a slab of granite, and it is as reliable as a golden retriever. If the day ever comes that it croaks, I might consider a diesel swap, but then again, with so many good 300s available for almost free, I might feel compelled to drop another one in instead. My opinion might change if gas is $8.50/gal when it happens. It all comes down to the circumstance.

 

Silly Gassers.

That is hard, Im opposite Seahawks are my team, First duty station was Camp Pendleton. Watched alot of Chargers and Padres.

 

So that's all that's to it. Weight traction or tq doesn't play any part. Seems to me if that was the case then Ford would put the hp and final dribe advantage in the trucks that's sold to do heavy towing.

 

We were discussing two identical trucks with different gearing and different engines with the same horsepower (in the theoretical discussion I posed previously). So no, peak torque numbers don't matter IF the horsepower numbers are the same and IF the proper gearing is applied. Torque is the amount of work an engine can do in one revolution. Horsepower is the amount of work an engine can do in a given period of time. Therefore an engine that makes 400 HP can do 400 HP worth of work in a given time span (minutes, hours, seconds, it doesn't matter). If one engine needs to wind up higher than the other to do that work, it doesn't matter, IF that engine is afforded the proper gearing. Now, is it practical? See my prior example, where the high RPM engine would need 6.39:1 gearing to perform comparably to the low RPM engine geared at 3.73:1. If you were to power a truck with a 400 HP, 40,000 RPM Turbine, it would pull just as well as the low RPM 400 HP engine running 3.73:1 gearing if we geared it at 42.63:1.

 

You are both forgetting that these trucks have transmission gearing too.
With my 5 speed I have from 21.33 to 1, to 2.68 to 1 with 3.73 rear end gears.

Why do the math like both trucks have to be in a 1 to 1 gear?

 

I am just saying that in general, that is the stuff that gets the gasser side riled up. Like the psd is the only truck that can do the job and the v10 is only good for grocery getters, empty driving or hauling a cooler to a picnic(but only half full of drinks and no ice). You brought up empty driving or small bass boats as good things for the v10, so I was just letting you know that's a good way to add another 20 pages to the debate lol.

For what tractor and trailers and other heavy equipment is used for, I doubt any of us arguing in support of the gasser trucks would argue that a gas engine would be superior. That being said, not many of us use our trucks as bulldozers, drilling rigs, saw mills or to haul 80,000 lbs. Anything these trucks are legally able to tow, all of the engines offered are more than enough to get the job done.

 

Where is the wheel size taken into the calculation?

 

My comparison is meant to be two IDENTICAL trucks, with the same size tires, same transmission, same cab and bed configuration. Only difference is the engine and final drive gearing. Both engines are available with the same transmissions for the most part, and the same tire sizes (from the factory).

 

I can't believe you said that...(taken out of context of course...gotta' razz him now and again)

 

Wow! You could have a promising career in politics or the news media with that kind of quotation!

That (out of context) quote reminds me of a guy I used to work with that though any truck besides his (a 4x4 Ram 2500 with a Hemi) was a poser truck that was only good for chasing down parts and groceries. Boy was he humiliated when he needed my 2wd six cylinder Ford to drag hid "Bad to the bone" truck out of the mud (stuck to the axles). Granted, I was on dry ground with a long chain, but hey, us Ford and Chevy guys had allot of fun taking that pull "out of context" as well. At one point, I thought he was gonna cry!

 

This kind of stuff is exactly why this thread gets so heated at times. If you can avoid "razzing" people for no reason, it might help.

 

Roger, good copy....out

 

This was especially bad back when the "Hemi Craze" as I call it was going on some years ago. I happen to know one of them that thought his Hemi 2500 was the greatest thing in the world. His excitement has since been fizzled out. Of course there are guys like this in every bunch and brand. The best truck always seems to be what they driving currently and the truck they had before that was the greatest then all of the sudden isn't near as great anymore. Just funny how it works.

 

You and I seem to know some of the same people.